[Rhodes22-list] Steve's respect, and health care costs

[Lloyd]

Gentlemen (and ladies)

Some of us on the list are capable of deciding for ourselves who is right or
wrong (in our opinion).  We also are able to determine if somebody can spell
or not ( I'm in the latter camp).  This abuse or other Rhodes22 owners
(i.e., your stupid, your an A**hole, etc.) is most offensive to those of us
who joined this forum to interact with fellow Rhodies as civilized adults
and to share sailing experiences, jokes, tall tales, and boating knowledge.
In my humble opinion you are spoiling a very valuable resource with your
egotistical tirades.  What was once an adult meeting place for fellowship
has been so degraded by personal attacks on one another and other people
with whom you disagree that I fear it will never return to what attracted
sailors who respected their peers to join in the "good old days".

Lloyd
s/v Uhuru II

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steve's respect, and health care costs


> Steve wrote:
> > ...
> > Spelling/grammer mean nothing.  Being a conservative
> > is what counts.  Your high & mighty liberalism is a
> > thing of the past.  Spelled right or not!!!!!!!!
>
> Perhaps you are right, under the current counter-
> intellectual administration.  "If you ain't for me,
> you're agin me" is very much in vogue.
>
> What you are calling "conservative" was called liberal
> a couple of decades ago.  I believe that what you
> call "conservative" today is what we called "robber
> barony" in the past.  I would hardly call a president
> or party that acts like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse
> "conservative".  Remember, Steve, that nothing lasts
> forever, not even power or political position.
>
> While it is comfortable to parrot the political polemics
> of the prominent party, I will wager that your position
> will change over time.
>
> > ...
> > As long as the Republican are in power; it's not a
> > problem.  The Republican made the first surpluss and
> > we will fix the mess the Democrats made undeer
> > Clinton.
>
> Opinions differ on those points.  Nearly 50% of voters
> disagree.  That is not exactly a consensus.
>
> > Once again, you have missed the point on Health Care.
> > The problem is in Tort Reform.  That will fix Health
> > Care costs.  Your are trying to talk around the issue.
> >  You CAP settlements and all the costs related to
> > liability claims will lessen health care costs.  And
> > if people were smarter and research thier doctors;
> > there wouldn't even be a need in all these lawsuits.
>
> 1. I think the problem is wider than tort reform.  Very
> few things are that simple.
>
> 2. Information about doctor's failures, mistakes, etc.
> is all but impossible to obtain.  Research is all but
> impossible.
>
> > No the cost of drugs is not being ignored.  If you had
> > any brains at all you would know that Bush has
> > implementated a Prescription Drug plan for Medicare.
> > And most states / public & private plans are
> > implementating Evident Based Drug Provision in there
> > packages offered to employees.  The drastic rise in PD
> > is being fixed.
>
> Why do you insult me?  You destroy any validity your
> comments might have.  Why not stick to the facts, and
> label opinion as such?
>
> As to drug costs, we are a long way from a fix.  It is
> not as simple as a small government plan that addresses
> a small fraction of the population.  We need to figure
> out a way to keep the old drugs that work available in
> the marketplace, keep the cost of new drugs as low as
> Canada, and get flu vaccine to people reliably.
>
> > Your other comments are simple bullshit.  The cost of
> > denial of preventative health care.  The nothinbg but
> > a Liberal scare comments that means NOTHING.  If it
> > got deny; then it wasn't needed.  Preventative Health
> > Care is being paid and not being denied.  Just Liberal
> > crap!!!!!!!!!
>
> As it turns out, there are several lawsuits in the courts
> which concern themselves with improper denial of claims.
> In addition, there are few insurance policies which
> provide complete preventative care.  The grand majority
> of policies are reactive rather than proactive, especially
> those available to individuals not covered under groups.
> To say that the insurance companies are above reproach
> is a bit optimistic.  They are "for profit", aren't they?
>
> > You are totally WRONG.  Tort Reform will fix the
> > problem.
>
> An assertion, not a fact.  You are entitled to your
> opinion.  I don't share it.
>
> > Look who it trying to reinvent the wheel.  You are
> > trying to bring on a whole new case of lawsuit.  When
> > a service is order as medically necessary; it must be
> > order by a Doc.  So that accountability can be
> > estiblish in cases of fruad.
>
> Wake up.  PAs are already in many practices, and are
> already helping to control costs.  There is no greater
> risk of malpractice lawsuits, it appears.  We just need
> to keep moving in that direction.
>
> Robert Skinner
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