[Rhodes22-list] Hank has no respect, and health care costs

[Steve]

Hank
Last time I looked, it the liberals that are asses on
the ballot:-)
Steve

--- Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert, 
> 
> You gave it a valiant attempt, but you shouldn't
> wrestle with the
> pigs, you'll only get muddy and the pigs like it.
> 
> Hank
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:28:08 -0800 (PST), Steve
> <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Steve wrote:
> > > > Ed
> > > > They are not be considerate of me.
> > > -------------------------
> > > Steve - your lack of care in spelling, grammar,
> and
> > > logic, combined with your claim of expertise and
> a
> > > responsible US government position invites far
> more
> > > ridicule than you have been offered.
> > >
> > > Take a little more care in writing your
> messages,
> > > and you will get more consideration, and more
> > > respect.
> > > It's not that I don't like you -- quite the
> > > contrary.
> > > I thought you enjoyed slugging it out, and from
> your
> > > freedom with insults, I thought you had a pretty
> > > thick
> > > skin.
> > >
> > > Please accept my apologies if I have overstepped
> the
> > >
> > > bounds of decency and fair play.
> > 
> > Spelling/grammer mean nothing.  Being a
> conservative
> > is what counts.  Your high & mighty liberalism is
> a
> > thing of the past.  Spelled right or not!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > ------------------------
> > > >  And this country
> > > > current deficit is completely manageable.
> > > ------------------------
> > > Steve - From your research post re the deficit:
> > > "This
> > > is far from a trivial sum, but it is not
> necessarily
> > > an
> > > impossible burden either."  That is not a clear
> > > "completely manageable", as you claim.  It will
> be
> > > an
> > > uphill fight all the way and for a long time.
> > 
> > As long as the Republican are in power; it's not a
> > problem.  The Republican made the first surpluss
> and
> > we will fix the mess the Democrats made undeer
> > Clinton.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -------------------------
> > > > Example; on the previous post of research. 
> Health
> > > > care cost being the one thing that this
> country
> > > must
> > > > address.
> > > ---------------------------
> > > >From Steve's post: "The
> > > assumption in this study – that private sector
> > > health
> > > care costs continue to explode for the next
> eighty
> > > years – would have a devastating impact on the
> > > economy
> > > even if we eliminated all publicly supported
> health
> > > care programs. If health care costs are brought
> > > under
> > > control, then the projected deficit would be
> > > manageable, and not qualitatively different than
> > > what
> > > comparable projections would have indicated in
> prior
> > > years."
> > >
> > > This is pretty specific - private, not public,
> > > health
> > > care costs are the culprit.  It sounds as if we
> are
> > > about to move toward government control of
> health
> > > costs -- something like socialized medicine?
> > 
> > Once again, you have missed the point on Health
> Care.
> > The problem is in Tort Reform.  That will fix
> Health
> > Care costs.  Your are trying to talk around the
> issue.
> > You CAP settlements and all the costs related to
> > liability claims will lessen health care costs. 
> And
> > if people were smarter and research thier doctors;
> > there wouldn't even be a need in all these
> lawsuits.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > ---------------------
> > > > If we inact Tort reform, Health care costs
> > > > stop rising at the uncontrol level they
> currently
> > > are.
> > > >  Reason, Health care costs have to factors
> that do
> > > not
> > > > increase life span or improve health.  They
> are:
> > > > Lawsuits
> > > > Doctor & Hospital liability inssurance
> > > >
> > > > Enact Tort reform; eliminating the above two
> > > > uncontrolable double digits increases in costs
> and
> > > you
> > > > have solved the main problem with the deficit.
> > > -------------------------
> > > Here is where Steve extrapolates from his data. 
> The
> > > above-referenced post did not mention tort
> reform.
> > > It
> > > did say, "the study by Gokhale and Smetters
> > > demonstrated the importance of fixing the U.S.
> > > health
> > > care system. If costs continue to rise out of
> > > control,
> > > it will have a devastating impact on the
> economic
> > > well-being of future generations."   No argument
> > > there.
> > >
> > 
> > What I did was quote How Bush will fix the Health
> care
> > problem.  Thereby putting a finishing touch to the
> > article.
> > 
> > 
> > > But the cost of drugs is ignored in Steve's
> > > immediately
> > > prior comments, as are the costs of a
> "competitive"
> > > private hospital system, the insurance industry
> > > overhead, costs of denial of preventative health
> > > care
> > > to children, etc.
> > >
> > 
> > No the cost of drugs is not being ignored.  If you
> had
> > any brains at all you would know that Bush has
> > implementated a Prescription Drug plan for
> Medicare.
> > And most states / public & private plans are
> > implementating Evident Based Drug Provision in
> there
> > packages offered to employees.  The drastic rise
> in PD
> > is being fixed.
> > 
> > Your other comments are simple bullshit.  The cost
> of
> > denial of preventative health care.  The nothinbg
> but
> > a Liberal scare comments that means NOTHING.  If
> it
> > got deny; then it wasn't needed.  Preventative
> Health
> > Care is being paid and not being denied.  Just
> Liberal
> > crap!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > > Yes, we can temporarily reduce some costs by
> > > preventing
> > > people from being able to recover damages and
> > > reducing
> > > the medical establishment's incentive to act
> > > responsibly,
> > 
> > You are totally WRONG.  Tort Reform will fix the
> > problem.
> > 
> > but we could also accomplish results by
> > >
> > > enhancing the role of PA's - those with more
> skills
> > > than nurses, but less expensive than doctors.
> > >
> > 
> > Look who it trying to reinvent the wheel.  You are
> > trying to bring on a whole new case of lawsuit. 
> When
> > a service is order as medically necessary; it must
> be
> > order by a Doc.  So that accountability can be
> > estiblish in cases of fruad.
> > 
> > 
> > > The answers are neither simple nor painless, and
> all
> > > avenues need to be explored, not just those
> proposed
> > > by the current administration.
> > 
> > Luckily, the Republicans are going to fix all this
> > while the Dems are sitting on the sidelines.  And
> they
> > got no one to blame but themselves.
> > 
> > 
> > > ----------------------
> > > > Of course, reducing discretionary spending
> will
> > > help
> > > > also.
> > > -----------------------
> > > Guess we'll have to stop buying boats...  But if
> the
> > > movement of goods and money slows down, doesn't
> the
> > > economy stagnate?
> > >
> > 
> > Do you even know how government works.  That what
> is
> > wrong with Liberal; lack of understanding & to
> much
> > talking.  Discretionary spending by government.
> > Doesn't have anything to do with the private
> sector.
> > 
> > 
> > > --
> > > Robert Skinner
> > >
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