[Rhodes22-list]Guns and Politics

[Steve]

Yeah, Michael
You could say that about any gun unless the owner
knows how to use it.  Take for examle an Uzi.  At 50
yards, it's very acturate.  With a 30 round clip.  You
would have more than enough rounds to fend off any
attacter without worring about reloading.
Steve


--- Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> I am not so sure you are right, unless the person
> was well trained the shot would be lifting upwards
> and to the right with the
> machinegun, putting allot of holes in the ceiling.
> Their is a much better chance homeowner know the
> house and using
> shot barraled wehpons and holding a perplain
> defenvive point by the bedroom would have good odds.
> BTW I think rodger is wrong, I
> would have the two two in the clip loaded with "Mag
> Safes", the SW.40 version is a great round and less
> likey to go thought walls,
> nice to know with a snap shot, The federals are
> great after them. :-)
> 
> MJM
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Guns and Politics
> 
> 
> > Robert
> > Whats wrong with honest people owning machine guns
> or
> > similer weapons????????????  You have to keep in
> mind
> > that dishonest people own them and are perpared to
> use
> > them on you.  Take for example your family; let
> say
> > someone break into your house and you pull out a
> > pistol or shotgun but they have machine guns.
> > Needless to say your whole family is now dead.
> > Wouldn't you have had better odds it you would
> have
> > had a machine gun???????  Or are you perpared to
> give
> > up your family lives for the shake of gun
> control?????
> > Interesting; analysis, don't you agree!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Robert Skinner <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> wrote:
> > > Roger - I have read your messages, and of your
> > > considerable
> > > accomplishments, with admiration.  Please do not
> > > consider
> > > me an opponent -- but rather someone possessed
> of/by
> > > a
> > > somewhat (but not entirely) different view of
> the
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > After all, "Betsy" lives in my bedroom as
> insurance
> > > against
> > > adverse outcomes of unwanted meetings in the
> night.
> > > I think
> > > we have a lot more points of agreement than
> might
> > > appear at
> > > the outset.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja wrote:
> > > > ... Despite the lethality and sophistication
> of
> > > modern
> > > > military weapons, the US military would have a
> > > very
> > > > difficult time putting down a widespread
> > > insurrection in
> > > > this country.
> > >
> > > The confrontation would not likely be
> face-to-face.
> > > It is
> > > far more likely to be a gradual redefinition of
> > > freedom
> > > and the erosion of the freedoms of subgroups - a
> > > cross
> > > between Orwell's "1984" prophesy and Hitler's
> > > scapegoating.
> > > Perhaps something like an extension of the
> Patriot
> > > Act.
> > >
> > > You will undoubtedly remember Hermann Goering's
> > > words as
> > > related in MJM's recent (and rather pithy)
> "jokes".
> > >
> > > "Voice or no voice, the people can always be
> > > brought to the bidding of the leaders, that
> > > is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
> > > are being attacked, and denounce the
> > > peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
> > > exposing the country to danger. It works the
> > > same in every country."
> > > -- Hermann Goering (Nazi planner)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
-------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Perhaps you have heard of the sales technique
> known
> > > as "Frog Boiling."
> > >
> > > If you put a frog in hot water, it will just
> jump
> > > out.
> > >
> > > If you put your frog in cool water, then heat it
> up
> > > slowly, the frog will go to sleep, and
> ultimately be
> > >
> > > boiled.
> > >
> > > The salesman comes in with a low bid, then adds
> > > expenses after the deal is closed.
> > >
> > > A government institutes apparently justified but
> > > intrusive legislation, then expands its
> provisions
> > > at the expense of individual liberty.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > You need to reread the 2nd amendment and try
> to
> > > > understand the historical context & intent of
> the
> > > > authors.  Providing the ultimate check and
> balance
> > > > against an oppressive regime is exactly what
> the
> > > 2nd
> > > > amendment is about & it's as valid today as it
> was
> > > in
> > > > the 18th century.
> > >
> > > You will note that I said:
> > >
> > > "The 2nd amendment was written in before machine
> > > guns
> > > were invented, or bazookas, for that matter. 
> The
> > > unavailability of these weapons to the general
> > > populace
> > > nullifies their ability to resist tyranny,
> rendering
> > > the
> > > 2nd amendment moot in that regard."
> > >
> > > I was referring to the effectiveness of "legal"
> > > weapons
> > > in the hands of the populace in the case of a
> > > pitched
> > > battle.  The use of currently permitted weapons
> > > would
> > > certainly be an irritant, but I maintain that
> the
> > > technologically advanced surveillance equipment
> > > available
> > > to our government confers a large advantage.
> > >
> > > But perhaps Yankee ingenuity would rise to the
> > > occasion.
> > > I imagine that we could do better than stones
> and
> > > bottles, should it come to that.
> > >
> > > We can hope that this theory is never tested.
> > >
> > > V/R
> > >
> > > /Robert Skinner
> > >
> > >
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