[Rhodes22-list]Guns and Politics

[Steve]

Have a good trip, Michael.
Steve


--- Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> maybe you are right, and maybe Marx was right, that
> communism can only come from the highest form of
> capitalism. Time to go to AC,
> pick this up sunday night :-)
> 
> MJM
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Guns and Politics
> 
> 
> > Roger - I have read your messages, and of your
> considerable
> > accomplishments, with admiration.  Please do not
> consider
> > me an opponent -- but rather someone possessed
> of/by a
> > somewhat (but not entirely) different view of the
> situation.
> >
> > After all, "Betsy" lives in my bedroom as
> insurance against
> > adverse outcomes of unwanted meetings in the
> night.  I think
> > we have a lot more points of agreement than might
> appear at
> > the outset.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja wrote:
> > > ... Despite the lethality and sophistication of
> modern
> > > military weapons, the US military would have a
> very
> > > difficult time putting down a widespread
> insurrection in
> > > this country.
> >
> > The confrontation would not likely be
> face-to-face.  It is
> > far more likely to be a gradual redefinition of
> freedom
> > and the erosion of the freedoms of subgroups - a
> cross
> > between Orwell's "1984" prophesy and Hitler's
> scapegoating.
> > Perhaps something like an extension of the Patriot
> Act.
> >
> > You will undoubtedly remember Hermann Goering's
> words as
> > related in MJM's recent (and rather pithy)
> "jokes".
> >
> > "Voice or no voice, the people can always be
> > brought to the bidding of the leaders, that
> > is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
> > are being attacked, and denounce the
> > peacemakers for lack of patriotism and
> > exposing the country to danger. It works the
> > same in every country."
> > -- Hermann Goering (Nazi planner)
> >
> >
>
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> >
> > Perhaps you have heard of the sales technique
> known
> > as "Frog Boiling."
> >
> > If you put a frog in hot water, it will just jump
> out.
> >
> > If you put your frog in cool water, then heat it
> up
> > slowly, the frog will go to sleep, and ultimately
> be
> > boiled.
> >
> > The salesman comes in with a low bid, then adds
> > expenses after the deal is closed.
> >
> > A government institutes apparently justified but
> > intrusive legislation, then expands its provisions
> > at the expense of individual liberty.
> >
> >
>
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> >
> > > You need to reread the 2nd amendment and try to
> > > understand the historical context & intent of
> the
> > > authors.  Providing the ultimate check and
> balance
> > > against an oppressive regime is exactly what the
> 2nd
> > > amendment is about & it's as valid today as it
> was in
> > > the 18th century.
> >
> > You will note that I said:
> >
> > "The 2nd amendment was written in before machine
> guns
> > were invented, or bazookas, for that matter.  The
> > unavailability of these weapons to the general
> populace
> > nullifies their ability to resist tyranny,
> rendering the
> > 2nd amendment moot in that regard."
> >
> > I was referring to the effectiveness of "legal"
> weapons
> > in the hands of the populace in the case of a
> pitched
> > battle.  The use of currently permitted weapons
> would
> > certainly be an irritant, but I maintain that the
> > technologically advanced surveillance equipment
> available
> > to our government confers a large advantage.
> >
> > But perhaps Yankee ingenuity would rise to the
> occasion.
> > I imagine that we could do better than stones and
> > bottles, should it come to that.
> >
> > We can hope that this theory is never tested.
> >
> > V/R
> >
> > /Robert Skinner
> >
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