[Rhodes22-list] Saroj -- Defender of the high seas? LOL

Sat Jan 24 20:29:22 EST 2004

>>> What possession could you possibly have on a 22 foot Rhodes sailboat that is worth your life?<<<

Bill,

  You mean other than her own life?!?!? 

    You wouldn't have a problem with Saroj carrying a squirt gun on board.... would you?   At least she would never run out of ammo.  :-D

 One report said that Sir Peter Blake was below and came charging up on deck, gun in hand when he heard the commotion.  This report said that he shot and wounded one assailant before they shot back (killing him) and then jumped over the side and escaped.  Another report said he was shot twice in the back before he got off a shot.  They couldn't even get the stories sorted out after the fact.

  Hindsight is not always 20-20.  Who is to say that these thugs would not have killed everyone on board if he did not take this action?  Did he stop them in the process of robbing the crew before killing them?  Should he have placed someone on watch and had the perimeter of the boat illuminated better....being in notoriously dangerous waters filled with "river rats", pirates, and thieves?  If more crew members had guns what would have been the outcome?

  The saying is that..."If you outlaw guns, then only the outlaws will have guns"   This is true.

  Look at D.C. and New York.

  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (and here is mine).  Maybe we are better off that some New Yorkers don't have guns to fire off with.....only keyboards.

Todd 

 P.S.  "Sir" Peter Blake did what a knight is expected to do.  What if the tabloids read "Sir Peter Blake cowers........" or "Sir Peter Blake defends his ship killing four would-be pirates"?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:11:43 -0500
To: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials 

> Saroj,
> 
> Don't do it the way Sir Peter Blake did it.  When pirates boarded his boat anchored at the mouth of the Amazon he went for his gun, and they killed him.  The other 9 crew members lived.  The pirates took some watches and a dinghy.
> 
> What possession could you possibly have on a 22 foot Rhodes sailboat that is worth your life?
> 
> As I read this tripe, Roger says he needs his gun to protect himself from his own government; Rik needs his because he lives in a bad neighborhood; now you seem to fancy yourself as a middle aged female defender of the high seas.
> 
> What's wrong with you?
> 
> I can make a case for gun ownership, but you are making a very strong case against it.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Saroj 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials 
> 
> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> I would like to turn this conversation to ways and means of storing and
> using guns while cruising. We hope to do that extensively in the future.
> Want to know how to manage it.
> 
> Saroj
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> To: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials
> 
> 
> > Saroj wrote:
> > > I'm with you on this one...
> > > For myself, I'm planning to learn to shoot
> > > a hand gun, rifle and shotgun...
> >
> > May I offer a few words of advice?
> >
> > I'd start with a pump scatter gun with the
> > shortest legal barrel and pistol grip rather
> > than shoulder stock.
> >
> > Reasons?
> >
> > If you use a pump, the sound of the action is
> >      generally enough to clear the area.
> >
> > The configuration of short barrel and pistol
> >      grip looks quite ready for serious close
> >      action business...
> >
> > The sight of a big hole in the end of a weapon
> >      tends to reduce the chance of an argument.
> >
> > Shotguns (esp. short barrel) make a BIG noise.
> >      Your warning shot cannot be mistaken for
> >      a welcome.  And other than some damage to
> >      wallboard and siding, it is a cheap way
> >      to prevent legal consequences.
> >
> > These factors may (hopefully) result in a
> >      bloodless and rapid retreat of the intruder,
> >      and no problems with paperwork and
> >      bureaucrats after the fact.
> >
> > Otherwise:
> >
> > Shotgun requires least accuracy under pressure.
> >      The decision to cause massive injury or
> >      death in another human is stressful, if
> >      not paralyzing.  Anyone would tend to be
> >      up tight defending their home.
> >
> > Small to medium size shot generally doesn't
> >      penetrate walls and injure neighbors, etc.
> >      Minimal collateral damage is a good thing.
> >
> > If you have trouble with the recoil from a 12
> >      gauge, a 16 or 20 gauge also works.  But
> >      generally, the bigger, the better -- more
> >      noise, bigger hole, and more pellets.
> >
> > In any case, congratulations on your decision to
> > undertake a citizen's responsibility to learn how
> > to exercise your rights.
> >
> > Very respectfully,
> > Robert Skinner
> >
> 
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