[Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials

Steve rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 25 13:54:31 EST 2004 

I saw that, Todd.
Excellent show.  Mists, Lies & the downright Stupid, I
think is what it was called.
Steve

--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
>   I was watching a television show on this very
> subject (and concealed carry state laws) last night.
>  They interview 5 hardened criminals in the
> penitentary.  They all said that they did not fear
> the police, but worried about being shot by the
> person they were trying to rob.
> 
>   That says it all.
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:43:40 -0800 (PST)
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner
> blasts officials
> 
> > Well put; Roger.
> > Steve
> > 
> > --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> > > Rik,
> > > 
> > > My feeling re home and family defense is that
> the
> > > whole issue is a matter of
> > > choosing the least bad option from a bunch of
> poor
> > > choices.  I would rather
> > > suffer the potential legal consequences of
> shooting
> > > an intruder rather than
> > > permit harm to myself or my family.  All the
> police
> > > and lawyers in the world
> > > cannot undo an injury once it's been done, even
> if
> > > the judicial system works
> > > as it should.  Remember, I did not invite a
> burgler
> > > to break into my house.
> > > If shooting him before he can hurt me or my
> family
> > > means I might have to do
> > > jail time for manslaughter, then so be it.  I
> refuse
> > > to be a victim.
> > > 
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted
> homeowner
> > > blasts officials
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Well, if it had been me, he's have never made
> it
> > > out the window. Let alone
> > > > out to my stolen car. I wouldn't have to worry
> > > about him being alive to
> > > > testify against me.
> > > >
> > > > I think Colorado's got the right idea. someone
> > > comes into your house
> > > > uninvited, shoot first and ask questions
> later.
> > > >
> > > > Not too long ago three people, 2 teenagers and
> > > their mother, were beaten
> > > to
> > > > death by 2 dope heads with a claw hammer and a
> > > roll of duct tape in a
> > > house
> > > > about 100 feet behind mine. I wonder how this
> > > might have turned out
> > > > different if someone had pulled a gun and
> wasn't
> > > afraid to use it. About a
> > > > month after being caught, one of the killers
> > > committed suicide. After
> > > being
> > > > thrown in jail and finally coming down from
> what
> > > ever he was high on, he
> > > > realized what he had done and couldn't live
> with
> > > it. How unfortunate that
> > > 3
> > > > people had to die so horribly to rid society
> of a
> > > worthless piece of shit
> > > > like that. Thank God he found a way to kill
> > > himself, or we'd still be
> > > > screwing around with him. Too bad the other
> one
> > > didn't do it too.
> > > >
> > > > This mentality that we should wait for the
> police
> > > to "save" us is pure
> > > > bull. Most times, by the time they can get
> there,
> > > the damage is already
> > > > done. The police cannot preserve your rights
> and
> > > certainly can't give them
> > > > back, once the criminal has taken them. If you
> > > want to preserve YOUR
> > > > rights, you must prevent the criminal from
> taking
> > > them in the first place.
> > > > Why are people so afraid or maybe it's
> unwilling
> > > to defend themselves???
> > > >
> > > > Rik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:21 PM 1/23/2004, you wrote:
> > > > >I don't remember who said, "There are lies,
> there
> > > are damn lies and then
> > > > >there are statistics." but nonetheless, here
> are
> > > some stats compiled in
> > > 1999
> > > > >put together by a gun owner's group.  Earlier
> I
> > > said I thought about half
> > > of
> > > > >US households have firearms.  I may have to
> stand
> > > corrected.  These stats
> > > > >indicate about half of Canadian homes have
> guns. 
> > > In the US, it's about
> > > > >12.7%.  (oh yeah, now I remember--it's half
> of US
> > > households have pets.
> > > 8-)
> > > > >Note:  they indicate that guns were used on
> > > intruders about 2.5 million
> > > > >times but only 8 % (200,000) actually shot
> the
> > > intruder.  Most of the
> > > time
> > > > >the weapon was merely brandished or warning
> shots
> > > fired.  I didn't see
> > > any
> > > > >stats pertaining to self-defense legal
> outcomes.
> > > > >
> > > > >Also, here's a link on gun safety that's well
> > > worth a look.
> > > > >
> > > > >Slim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >On 1/23/04 3:01 PM, "Paul Grandholm"
> > > <paul at grandpower.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A Chicago-area homeowner prosecuted after
> > > shooting an intruder has
> > > > > > written a letter urging local
> > > > > > officials to stop hindering citizens from
> > > protecting their families
> > > and
> > > > > > "stick to parade schedules and
> > > > > > planting our parks."
> > > > > > Hale DeMar, 54, of Wilmette, Ill., wounded
> a
> > > burglar who entered his
> > > > > > kitchen Dec. 29, shortly after
> > > > > > saying good night to his children
> upstairs.
> > > But DeMar was charged with
> > > > > > violating a local ordinance
> > > > > > banning possession of handguns.
> > > > > > Police Chief George Carpenter said the
> outcome
> > > "was very fortunate for
> > > > > > the homeowner."
> > > > > > "We much prefer, for the safety of the
> home,
> > > that a resident who finds
> > > > > > himself in this situation
> > > > > > immediately lock the door of the room he's
> in
> > > and dial 911."
> > > > > > In a letter to local officials published
> by
> > > the Chicago Sun-Times,
> > > > > > however, DeMar said: "Until you are
> > > > > > shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle
> of
> > > the night and met in your
> > > > > > kitchen by a masked invader as
> > > > > > your children shudder in their beds, until
> you
> > > confront that very real
> > > > > > nightmare, please don't suggest that
> > > > > > some village trustee knows better and
> he/she
> > > can effectively task the
> > > > > > police to protect your family from
> > > > > > the miscreants that this society has
> > > produced."
> > > > > > Morio Billings, 31, is accused of entering
> the
> > > DeMar home twice within
> > > 24
> > > > > > hours. He allegedly crawled
> > > > > > through a dog door in the garage then
> returned
> > > the next night with a
> > > > > > stolen house key. Prosecutors say
> > > > > > Billings crashed through the home's front
> > > window after he was shot
> > > then
> > > > > > drove himself to the hospital in
> > > > > > the family's SUV, which he had stolen the
> > > night before.
> > > > > > Billings previously had been arrested 30
> > > times, according to DeMar.
> > > > > > DeMar, a restaurant owner, will appear in
> > > court Feb. 6 to face
> > > > > > misdemeanor charges for violating the
> > > > > > handgun ordinance and failing to update
> his
> > > firearms card.
> > > > > > He sent the following letter to the
> Sun-Times:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Village Trustees ... Stick to Parade
> Schedules
> > > & Planting our Parks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many of us have experienced a sense of
> > > violation upon returning to our
> > > > > > homes, only to find
> > > > > > that someone else has been there. Someone
> else
> > > has trespassed in our
> > > > > > bedrooms, looting and
> > > > > > stealing that which is readily replaced.
> Many
> > > of us, still haunted by
> > > > > > that violation, will never
> > > > > > again have a sense of security in our own
> > > homes. Few, however, have
> > > > > > awakened to realize
> > > > > > that they had been violated as they slept
> in
> > > their beds, doors locked,
> > > as
> > > > > > family dogs patrolled
> > > > > > their homes. For me, the seconds until I
> found
> > > my children still
> > > safely
> > > > > > tucked in their beds
> > > > > > were horrifying. The thought that a young
> > > child may have been hurt or
> > > > > > abducted was
> > > > > > incomprehensible.
> > > > > > The police were called and in routine
> fashion
> > > they came, took the
> > > report
> > > > > > and with little
> > > > > > concern left, promising to increase
> > > surveillance. Little comfort,
> > > since
> > > > > > the invader now had
> > > > > > keys to our home and our automobiles. The
> > > police informed me that this
> > > > > > was not an
> > > > > > uncommon event in east Wilmette and
> offered
> > > their condolences.
> > > > > > What is one to do when a criminal
> proceeds,
> > > undeterred by a 90-pound
> > > > > > German shepherd,
> > > > > > an alarm system and a property ... lit up
> like
> > > an outdoor stadium? And
> > > > > > now, he had my
> > > > > > house keys and an inventory of things he'd
> > > like to call his own. Would
> > > > > > the police patrol my
> > > > > > dead-end street as effectively the second
> time
> > > as they had the first?
> > > > > > Would my small
> > > > > > children be unharmed the next time? Would
> the
> > > career criminal be
> > > > > > satisfied with another
> > > > > > automobile, another television or would he
> > > feel the need, once again,
> > > to
> > > > > > climb the staircase
> > > > > > up to the bedrooms, perhaps for a watch or
> a
> > > ring or a wallet, again
> > > > > > risking little?
> > > > > > Would my children wake to find a masked
> > > figure, clad in black, in
> > > their
> > > > > > bedroom doorway,
> > > > > > a vision that might haunt them for years?
> > > Would the police come again
> > > and
> > > > > > fill out yet
> > > > > > another report, and at what point should I
> > > feel comfortable that the
> > > 'bad
> > > > > > guy' got everything
> > > > > > he wanted and wouldn't return again, a
> third
> > > time?
> > > > > > I went to the safe where my licensed and
> > > registered gun was kept,
> > > loaded
> > > > > > it for the very first
> > > > > > time and tucked it under the mattress of
> my
> > > bed. I assured my
> > > frightened
> > > > > > children ''that
> > > > > > daddy would deal with the bad guy ... if
> he
> > > ever returned.'' Little
> > > did I
> > > > > > imagine that this
> > > > > > brazen animal was waiting in the backyard
> > > bushes as I tucked my
> > > children
> > > > > > into bed.
> > > > > > Fifteen minutes after bedtime, the alarm
> went
> > > off. Three minutes after
> > > > > > the alarm was
> > > > > > triggered, the alarm company alerted the
> > > police to the situation and
> > > 10
> > > > > > minutes later the first
> > > > > > police car pulled up to my home, but only
> > > after another call was made
> > > to
> > > > > > 911, by a
> > > > > > trembling, half-naked father. I suppose
> some
> > > would have grabbed their
> > > > > > children and
> > > > > > cowered in their bedroom for 13 minutes,
> > > praying that the police would
> > > > > > get there in time to
> > > > > > stop the criminal from climbing the stairs
> and
> > > confronting the family
> > > in
> > > > > > their bedroom,
> > > > > > dreading the sound of a bedroom door being
> > > kicked in. That's not the
> > > fear
> > > > > > I wanted my
> > > > > > children to experience, nor is it the
> cowardly
> > > act that I want my
> > > > > > children to remember me
> > > > > > by.
> > > > > > Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm
> in
> > > the middle of the night
> > > and
> > > > > > met in your kitchen
> > > > > > by a masked invader as your children
> shudder
> > > in their beds, until you
> > > > > > confront that very real
> > > > > > nightmare, please don't suggest that some
> > > village trustee knows better
> > > > > > and he/she can
> > > > > > effectively task the police to protect
> your
> > > family from the miscreants
> > > > > > that this society has
> > > > > > produced.
> > > > > > This career criminal had been arrested 30
> > > times. He was wanted in
> > > Georgia
> > > > > > and for parole
> > > > > > violations in Minnesota. How many family
> homes
> > > had he violated, how
> > > many
> > > > > > innocent lives
> > > > > > were affected, how many police reports
> went
> > > into some back office file
> > > > > > cabinet, only to
> > > > > > become some abstract statistic? How is it
> that
> > > rabid animals like this
> > > > > > are free to roam the
> > > > > > streets, violating our homes and
> threatening
> > > the safety of our
> > > children?
> > > > > > If my actions have spared only one family
> from
> > > the distress and trauma
> > > > > > that this habitual
> > > > > > criminal has caused hundreds of others,
> then I
> > > have served my civic
> > > duty
> > > > > > and taken one evil
> > > > > > creature off of our streets, something
> that
> > > our impotent criminal
> > > justice
> > > > > > system had failed to
> > > > > > do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea
> > > bargains and suspended
> > > > > > sentences.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ========================
> > > > > > Paul Grandholm
> > > > > > GrandPower Components Div.
> > > > > > C&H Technology
> > > > > > ISO9001 Certified
> > > > > > ========================
> > > > > >
> > >
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