[Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials

Sun Jan 25 14:01:26 EST 2004

Excellent, Roger.
Steve

--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> #1, pirates are known to frequently kill their
> victims so there are no
> witnesses.  Therefore, Sir Peter Blake probably
> thought he had nothing to
> lose by attempting to defend himself.
> 
> 2nd, the argrument re the 2nd amendment and
> government oppression is a
> theoretical one.  Do you think that human nature has
> significantly changed
> since the late 18th century when the Bill of Rights
> was written?  In only
> about 12 generations, have humans "evolved" into a
> better species.  Or, is
> it more likely that humans in positions of
> governmental authority are just
> as greedy and power hungry as ever and the 2nd
> amendment has worked so well
> that folks like you are now willing to dismiss the
> original arguments for it
> as "tripe".  Are you really that elitist and liberal
> or are you just
> incredibly naive?  Good grief man!  Open up your
> eyes and see the world the
> way it really is.  Fortunately, we both live under a
> constitution where this
> discussion is possible.  You may think my beliefs
> are tripe and I think you
> haven't got a clue, but I'll defend to the death
> your right to believe as
> you do.
> 
> 3rd, I believe I stated my primary reason for
> keeping a gun loaded & readily
> accessible around the house was for home & family
> protection.  As I stated
> above, the 2nd amendment has worked so well at
> curbing XS government
> oppression that the theory has not & I believe will
> not ever be tested  as
> long as widespread gun ownership is permitted in the
> United States.
> 
> Saroj,
> 
> In the United States, keeping a gun on board while
> cruising would be
> considered carrying a concealed weapon.  In most
> states, assuming you have
> no criminal record, it's not difficult to obtain a
> CCW permit.  You would
> have to take a class and pass a test.  The classes
> are frequently offered at
> shooting sports clubs and thru gun shops.  The
> classes are very useful.
> They will teach you about gun safety, gun laws, and
> how to properly and
> safely shoot your gun.
> 
> Legally cruising with a gun on board in other
> countries is much more
> problematic.  Basically, there are a different set
> of rules whereever you go
> & the answer in most places is, "Not no way - Not no
> how!"
> 
> If you are going to keep a gun on board in a salt
> water environment,
> consider getting a gun in stainless steel or
> titanium.  For about 15-20%
> more money over blued carbon steel, many models of
> handguns are offered in
> corrosion resistant alloys.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner
> blasts officials
> 
> 
> > C'mon, Bill, go easy on the poor girl.  I'd guess
> that something she would
> > want to defend on a 22 ft. boat would be her
> family.  If Sir Peter Blake
> had
> > known that they were only after trinkets and the
> dinghy, there might not
> > have been gunfire.  Hindsight is 20-20.  But you
> don't know what their
> > intentions are ahead of time.  Certainly there is
> a time NOT to shoot and
> > that's where good solid training and education
> come into play.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On 1/24/04 4:11 PM, "Bill Effros"
> <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Saroj,
> > >
> > > Don't do it the way Sir Peter Blake did it. 
> When pirates boarded his
> boat
> > > anchored at the mouth of the Amazon he went for
> his gun, and they killed
> him.
> > > The other 9 crew members lived.  The pirates
> took some watches and a
> dinghy.
> > >
> > > What possession could you possibly have on a 22
> foot Rhodes sailboat
> that is
> > > worth your life?
> > >
> > > As I read this tripe, Roger says he needs his
> gun to protect himself
> from his
> > > own government; Rik needs his because he lives
> in a bad neighborhood;
> now you
> > > seem to fancy yourself as a middle aged female
> defender of the high
> seas.
> > >
> > > What's wrong with you?
> > >
> > > I can make a case for gun ownership, but you are
> making a very strong
> case
> > > against it.
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Saroj
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted
> homeowner blasts officials
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > I would like to turn this conversation to ways
> and means of storing and
> > > using guns while cruising. We hope to do that
> extensively in the future.
> > > Want to know how to manage it.
> > >
> > > Saroj
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Robert Skinner"
> <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> > > To: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>; "The Rhodes 22
> mail list"
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted
> homeowner blasts officials
> > >
> > >
> > >> Saroj wrote:
> > >>> I'm with you on this one...
> > >>> For myself, I'm planning to learn to shoot
> > >>> a hand gun, rifle and shotgun...
> > >>
> > >> May I offer a few words of advice?
> > >>
> > >> I'd start with a pump scatter gun with the
> > >> shortest legal barrel and pistol grip rather
> > >> than shoulder stock.
> > >>
> > >> Reasons?
> > >>
> > >> If you use a pump, the sound of the action is
> > >>      generally enough to clear the area.
> > >>
> > >> The configuration of short barrel and pistol
> > >>      grip looks quite ready for serious close
> > >>      action business...
> > >>
> > >> The sight of a big hole in the end of a weapon
> > >>      tends to reduce the chance of an argument.
> > >>
> > >> Shotguns (esp. short barrel) make a BIG noise.
> > >>      Your warning shot cannot be mistaken for
> > >>      a welcome.  And other than some damage to
> > >>      wallboard and siding, it is a cheap way
> > >>      to prevent legal consequences.
> > >>
> > >> These factors may (hopefully) result in a
> > >>      bloodless and rapid retreat of the
> intruder,
> > >>      and no problems with paperwork and
> > >>      bureaucrats after the fact.
> > >>
> > >> Otherwise:
> > >>
> > >> Shotgun requires least accuracy under pressure.
> > >>      The decision to cause massive injury or
> > >>      death in another human is stressful, if
> > >>      not paralyzing.  Anyone would tend to be
> > >>      up tight defending their home.
> > >>
> > >> Small to medium size shot generally doesn't
> > >>      penetrate walls and injure neighbors, etc.
> > >>      Minimal collateral damage is a good thing.
> > >>
> > >> If you have trouble with the recoil from a 12
> > >>      gauge, a 16 or 20 gauge also works.  But
> > >>      generally, the bigger, the better -- more
> > >>      noise, bigger hole, and more pellets.
> > >>
> > >> In any case, congratulations on your decision
> to
> > >> undertake a citizen's responsibility to learn
> how
> > >> to exercise your rights.
> > >>
> > >> Very respectfully,
> > >> Robert Skinner
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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