[Rhodes22-list] Effos's sailing tips

[Ben Schultz]

Naah, let the guy put his rails in the water.  Sure, it isn't the best way
to get where you're going, but it sure is fun, isn't it?  And that's why
we're out there on the water in the first place.

-----Original Message-----
From: ed kroposki [mailto:ekroposki at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:01 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Effos's sailing tips

Bill:
	Rick just needs more sailing time, and he probably needs some
pointers on sheeting inside in higher winds.  Rick should spend the time
sailing instead of putting in an unnecessary bilge pump.  The only place I
need a pump is in the lazerette and then it is so random, I can only guess.
  
Rick:
	Go back thru the archives and look at all Roger's tips on sailing
flat.  You go faster.  
	There used to be a guy with a Rhodes who docked near me.  He took
his wife out sailing one day and was putting the rail in the water.  She
never went out again and a year later he sold his Rhodes 22.  Bye the way,
are you married? 

Ed K 



-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bilge pump

Reduce the amount of sail and your boat will go faster, and you will never
heel past your water lines.  Talk to Jay.  I've been sailing with him on
Barnegat Bay.  You guys have the amount of wind the rest of us just dream
of.  With a roller furling jib and main, you can fly the exact right amount
of sail to get the most speed out of your boat.  If you are not heeling you
can sail at over 6 knots, almost all the time.  If you are not heeling you
can exceed the hull speed of your boat.  The boat will plane if you set your
sails properly and don't heel in wind conditions like you get on what you
would call a windy day.  I have sailed my boat at 7-10 knots for hours on
end in high wind conditions here on Long Island Sound.  Few other boats go
out on days like this, but the Rhodes can handle it, and I can handle the
Rhodes single handing. 

Then you can always leave your water tank almost full, and you will not need
a new gasket.  

KISS.

Bill Effros


----- Original Message ----- 
From: RICK CENTALONZA 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bilge pump


Bill,
Thanks for the heads up on the replies.
True, when the boat heels that much speed suffers, but sometimes it happens.
I can't argue with logic. Your points are well taken.
No way will I put any new holes in the boat.
I think a new gasket and a lower water level in the tank will help.
Thank you.

Rick

on 7/16/04 1:03 PM, Bill Effros at bill at effros.com wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> We try to put our replies on top where they are more likely to be read.
> 
> If you are heeling that far you are going slower than you would go if your
> boat were upright.
> 
> In my view, bilge pumps on boats like ours are dumb.  If the pump is large
> enough to pump the water uphill in reasonable quantity it won't take the
> amount of water you are dumping into the bilge, out of it--there won't be
> enough water.  If you want it to pump out your boat if something happens
while
> you're not in it, it will drain your dinky batteries, and then your boat
will
> sink.  But not to the bottom.  Then you can try to deal with the problems
you
> would have had anyhow, plus the problem of dead batteries.
> 
> If you would like to add more problems, and new holes to your boat, get
bilge
> pumps.  You won't be disappointed.  You can worry every time you leave the
> boat that a stuck switch drained your battery and will ruin a good sailing
> day.
> 
> These boats won't sink.  The leaks are sponge quantity.  If you're taking
on
> water because of the way you're sailing the boat, it's time to think about
the
> way you're sailing the boat.  Don't put water in the tank if all you're
doing
> is spilling it into the bilge.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RICK CENTALONZA
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bilge pump
> 
> 
> on 7/16/04 11:24 AM, Gardner, Douglas (LNG-DAY) at
> douglas.gardner at lexisnexis.com wrote:
> 
>> Rick, 
>> 
>> I'm sure you'll get some good responses.  We've had extensive discussion
>> on this in the past, and several excellent approaches.  I particularly
>> remember MJM's approach (multiple bilge pumps in various locations) and
>> Roger's (he made a well in front of the centerboard trunk).
>> 
>> I can only give details on mine.
>> 
>> For mine, I went the easy way.  I have a cheap electrically operated
bilge
>> pump w/ a float switch under the floor of the head.  It is directly wired
to
>> the battery, with a fuse inline.  Therefore, it is NOT disabled if I have
>> the battery switch in the off position.
>> 
>> The hose runs into the galley area and up to the hull-deck joint, where
it
>> turns back with a vented loop and then back down to tie into the sink
drain.
>> The vented loop is important to prevent siphoning if the sink drain
>> through-hull is under water on a port tack.  Some people recommend a
check
>> valve in addition to or instead of the vented loop.  However, I opted for
>> the simpler solution with less potential for obstructions in the hose.
>> 
>> To my knowledge, the bilge pump has never come on, although I have had
water
>> in the bilge. I've never had what I consider to be a LOT of water in the
>> bilge, and I've always found and patched any small leaks.  Generally, my
>> bilge is BONE dry. I forced the pump to come on to test it, but I guess
>> there was never enough water to activate the cheap float switch.
>> 
>> If I had to do it over again, I'd probably buy a better pump and better
>> float switch, and try to shorten the hose length by using a more direct
>> route to the sink drain.  However, I don't think there is much wrong with
my
>> general approach if the goal is just to assist or to keep a minor leak
from
>> severly flooding the boat if I'm away for a few weeks (assuming the
battery
>> charger is connected to shore power).
>> 
>> I do have a manual bilge pump, which is really the primary way to get
water
>> out of the bilge.
>> 
>> --Doug
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of RICK CENTALONZA
>> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:50 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bilge pump
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Gentleman,
>> I have been reading the e-mails for months prior to getting a new Rhodes
in
>> May.
>> How would I run the wire and tubing for a bilge pump. I have read some of
>> the archives, but there is no mention of this.
>> Thank you.
>> Rick 
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> 
> Doug,
> Thank you for the info. I'll take a look under the floor near the head and
> let you know my decision.
> 
> Rick
> 
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