[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Boat Parking Issue

[ed kroposki]

Herb,

	All this discussion of boat trailers has missed a point that you may
want to consider.  There have been numerous discussions on how to jack up
and support a R 22 for such things as bottom painting.  Have you considered
just blocking up the boat so that it can be worked on.  Get your trailer out
from under it and go sailing?  Check the archives on that topic.
	
	$500 for a '83 hull that appears to be in good condition was a
steal.  If you leave it on a trailer, it might get stolen.  Does your
brother have a mast and sails for the boat?  Again, let me remind you that
Stan sells pieces.  However, shipping is always a problem.  Why not take
your brother with cash in hand and visit Edenton.  Stan has a soft spot for
cash.

	When you study Todd's specifications, remember that your boat may
only go up and down.  Todd is an elevator engineer :-)  
	  
	
Ed K
	


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements

Again, I agree with everything below, but this time with one exception. I'd
never pull any boat at 70 mph. I towed my O'Day 25 from Alaska to TX, over
5,000 miles, and my wife and friend both would get nervous if I started
going over 55 mph, and at times, even I was nervous going even that fast.

My plan was to use whatever measurements I got as a "starting point", and
adjust the bunkers from there, as needed. If my brother ever decides he
wants to tow his boat long distances, I will recommend to him he purchase a
custom built trailer. As it sits right now, this is his first boat, he paid
$500 for it, and I'd be hard pressed to recommend a $1500 trailer for it, at
least until he knows for sure it's something he's going to keep doing.

He'll probably be 6-12 months just getting it to stay dry, getting the
interior replaced, and learning how to keep it floating and pointing in the
direction he wants to go, instead of stuck in the mud calling me on the cell
phone to help him get it out.

>>> Bill Effros<bill at effros.com> 7/26/2004 1:56:52 PM >>>
Herb,

If you took a look at Todd's drawings you saw that what he sent was closer
to the parts of everything on the trailer than it was to sail measurements.

If you build it and it contains a design flaw that results in your death,
who should your insurance company sue?

That was a rough way to restate the problem, and I don't mean to sound
hostile, especially coming after Stan's gentle reply.  But it does sum up
the most dire possibility with regard to copying some of the engineering
problems Stan has dealt with over the years.

When I look back at answers Stan has posted to help people build their
trailers, it is clear that one trailer will not fit all R-22 boats.  I'm
sure Roger built himself a great trailer, and I'm equally sure Roger would
go directly to Stan for help if he were having a problem.

Todd's trailer may be better than Stan's or Roger's, but you simply can't
know, nor can you assume that his bunk placement is right for your boat.

If you follow the list for a while you will see that some people are having
a lot more trailering trouble than others.  The boat doesn't go on the
trailer properly, the trailer fishtails going down the highway, stuff
breaks--at 70 miles an hour.

Even though most of us think of our boats as just wonderful expensive toys,
we repeatedly entrust our lives to the underlying engineering and
manufacturing that makes the boats float and sit properly on their trailers.

I know your initial question was innocent, and you certainly did not expect
replies of this nature.

I asked only that you consider the ramifications of your questions, and you
have done so.

I'll try to get back to work.

Bill Effros



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Herb Parsons 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements


I understand the issue of itellectual properties; however, I was referring
to bunk measurements and placements I had seen here on the list. I liken it
more to giving out the measurements of the sail. Now, if I were asking for
the exact parts of everything on the trailer, and all of the information on
exactly how it was put together, etc etc, I might agree.

>>> Bill Effros<bill at effros.com> 7/26/2004 11:31:22 AM >>>
Herb,

I'm an author who earns a living off my intellectual property.  I think it's
wrong for people to buy what I've written, make a copy, and send the copy to
their friends without paying me for my work.

Stan spent a lot of time and money developing these trailers.  Anyone can
look at them, say "that's a good idea" and copy the concept, and modify
their own trailer, or have someone else build one--to their own
specifications.

But to ask people on the list to measure the trailers they have bought from
Stan, and to send you the measurements, so you can build your own trailer,
or teach someone else how to build these trailers, without paying Stan for
his intellectual property, is wrong, in my view.

I'm sure that is not what you were thinking when you asked the question, and
I do not think badly of you for asking it.  This has come up many times
before, and I only sometimes respond in this way.

But I do think it's wrong, and I haven't said anything about it for a while.

By the way,  there have been people who extended your idea of "send me the
trailer measurements," to "why not copy and sell the whole boat"--let me
borrow your boat, I'll make molds from it, we'll make our own exact copies
of the boat, we'll sell them and split the profit--if we don't have to pay
anything for R&D we can easily sell them for less than Stan can sell them
for.

Essentially that's what you're trying to do in the trailer department, in my
view.

Bill Effros

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