[Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements

[Bill Effros]

Slim,

If you are reading these in order you saw Stan gave his blessing to those repairing and building their trailers.  As always, he is very generous in these matters.  Also I have dozens of postings wherein Stan has suggested methods for moving the center of gravity to improve the trailer for individual boats.

My original reply to Herb was primarily for newer members of the list who may not have thought through this matter, and its ramifications.  Herb responded generously multiple times.  That was all I was asking.  Thank you, Herb.

With regard to using an engineer as a lawyer, I would strongly urge against it.  If you honestly believe you can take a full set of plans for a Ford, that you received from a third party, and take them to Toyota, and have Toyota build you just one Ford for your personal use and eventual sale to an unwitting fourth party...you could wind up in jail before you get back to Brazil.  Patent law would be the least of your problems--there are dozens of laws on the books prohibiting this activity.

Bill Effros


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve Alm 
To: Rhodes 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements


Bill,

I hope you don't feel badly of me for asking, but speaking as one of those
who has had a great deal of trouble with my trailer, just exactly how
intellectual is this property?  After all, mine is a lemon.

Having not purchased my boat and trailer from GBI, I have no certainty
whatsoever if Stan put his stamp of approval on my rig before it left the
shop so I know better than to point fingers--but the fact remains that I
have to rebuild my trailer.  Last year, when I posted my complaints, even
Stan said I need to have my axle moved.  This is no small modification.

Now, I'd like nothing more than to bring the boat and trailer to Stan and
ask him to fix it for me, but I live in MN.  There must be a better option.
If I had the correct specs, I'd take the rig to a qualified shop here at
home and have them do the work.  I'm not qualified to do this kind of work
myself so I need some help, i.e., specs to give to the shop that does the
work.

Thank you, Roger, for reminding us of the legalities of this.  If I have
this work done here in MN and then something goes dreadfully wrong, I won't
be liable--the shop that does the work will be the target of any litigation.
I'm certainly not going into production and sales of R22 trailers--I just
want mine to work.

Slim

On 7/26/04 11:31 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Herb,
> 
> I'm an author who earns a living off my intellectual property.  I think it's
> wrong for people to buy what I've written, make a copy, and send the copy to
> their friends without paying me for my work.
> 
> Stan spent a lot of time and money developing these trailers.  Anyone can look
> at them, say "that's a good idea" and copy the concept, and modify their own
> trailer, or have someone else build one--to their own specifications.
> 
> But to ask people on the list to measure the trailers they have bought from
> Stan, and to send you the measurements, so you can build your own trailer, or
> teach someone else how to build these trailers, without paying Stan for his
> intellectual property, is wrong, in my view.
> 
> I'm sure that is not what you were thinking when you asked the question, and I
> do not think badly of you for asking it.  This has come up many times before,
> and I only sometimes respond in this way.
> 
> But I do think it's wrong, and I haven't said anything about it for a while.
> 
> By the way,  there have been people who extended your idea of "send me the
> trailer measurements," to "why not copy and sell the whole boat"--let me
> borrow your boat, I'll make molds from it, we'll make our own exact copies of
> the boat, we'll sell them and split the profit--if we don't have to pay
> anything for R&D we can easily sell them for less than Stan can sell them for.
> 
> Essentially that's what you're trying to do in the trailer department, in my
> view.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Parsons
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Cc: bill at parsonsys.net
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:44 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements
> 
> 
> I saw on here that someone had posted information about the trailer
> measurements for a Rhodes 22. I assume this was bunkboard settings and such. I
> thought I had saved the original email, but could not find it. If someone has
> that information, I would be grateful if you could pass it on to me. The
> Rhodes 22 we are trying to set up a trailer for is a 1983 model. Thanks in
> advance.
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