[Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill

Tue Jul 27 09:03:21 EDT 2004

Michael,

Prop walk can be used to great effect. Our 37' Tayana w/ a cutaway full keel
backs "like a drunken elephant". We've got a 3-blade fixed prop, and I've
learned to use the prop walk to "back and fill" - that is, just about turn
the boat around in it's own length as long as I'm turning clockwise. 

Here's a pretty good explanation:
http://www.cruising.sailingcourse.com/docking.htm

I do everything I can to avoid backing to starboard - against the prop walk.
To have any control at all in reverse, I have to get the boat moving, take
it out of gear and gently turn the wheel - too much and she doesn't respond,
too little and she doesn't respond <g>. She does pretty well in forward, but
w/ that keel, sure won't turn on a dime, no matter what.

I've also learned to use the prop walk when docking. If at a dock, I come in
on my port side if I can and get a bow line fastened, then, when I bump
reverse, the prop walk brings the stern over nicely. If in our slip, I come
in at a slight angle w/ the bow slightly to port. Bump reverse, and the boat
stops and the stern comes right over to the piling where I can grab the
line. Of course, if there's much wind, all bets are off. Last time I tried
w/ about a 10 kt cross wind, I managed to over correct for the wind and
catch a piling w/ a brace on the anchor roller on the bow sprit - no harm
done, no one hurt, so it was a success, but the bigger the boat, the bigger
the challenge. And, of course, the one time I screw it up is the one time
there's an audience of about 8 or 10 <g>. 

I've seen "prop cages" on lobster boats in Maine to protect the prop and
shaft from lobster pot lines. Maybe something like that could work for you. 

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 9:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill

I have to watch out, it to easily to pack rat :-) The boat pretty good about
storage, room under all the seat, the boat pretty loaded at this point with
the "cluttered" feel(yet).
Very stiff boat, more beam, 1200 pounds 6 feet down, light weight decks from
vacuumed bagging, and less sail area than the Rhodes.
added in the 300+ pound for the diesel takes allot to knock her down. Had
her out 10-12 knots gusting to 15, could not get more than
15 digress and was doing haul speed on all points. She points high. For
light air I going to have to use the cursing spinnaker.
Getting their. Karin Likes it. I still need more time to know her(docking
has been a laugh, or is that people laughing at me, And I do not let people
to close to see the sail shape :-)

I got a question if you are in the mood.
1)The prop walk is killing me.
2)both the keel and rudder come up, so my prop and prop shaft are even with
if not lower that the rest, boat might reset on it dried out 3)Lines from
lobster pots are all over the place.
4)the prop is just "hanging out" like egg beater, not skeg of than 3 foot
shadow from the keel

I been thinking about a ring around the prop, like a "kort nozzle", thin
head on profile and basically round for low water
resistances.   The idea: it would be able hold the weight of the boat,
overbuild for impact, kill the prop walk and act as a gaur.
Might even be able to use a vertical shaft slaved to the wheel rotate for
some low speed vector thrust.

Any thoughts?, I have about 2-3 inch of clearance to the underside from the
prop. Do I risks blowing out the bottom of the boat in a impact? The area in
play is a compound curve, any thoughts front and backing plates cover area(1
inch vacuumed bag hull). bonding problems? to keep the vertical shaft
packing above the waterline would an 18 inch tube in tube work? Any ideas
how to get it made?, Not asking for details, I not "commented" to the idea,
but some "back of the envelope" would be appraised. Thier seem alot of plues
here, the fact no one is doing it might mean I missing somethimg.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] well here is my lack of photo skill

> Michael,
>
> Thank-you for posting my Crystal Mountain pictures.
>
> Your photos aren't bad.  How did you manage to get photos from about 10
> months in the future, 5/16/2005? :)  Do you really own this boat or is
this
> the future?
>
> Your boat has very classic lines.  She's a real beauty!  You should have a
> lot of fun with this one.
>
> Boy, you could seriously lose something in that cavernous quarter
> berth/storage space under the cockpit, couldn't you?
>
> So, how does she sail?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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