[Rhodes22-list] Bill Effros! Famous author
Michael Meltzer
mjm at michaelmeltzer.com
Thu Jul 29 01:03:45 EDT 2004
nicly put, thank you.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bill Effros! Famous author
Ed,
I don't think so. Michael was upset. I tried to kid him out of it. Stan tried to kid him out of it--and Michael became even more
upset.
Michael's comments were obviously out of line, but I'm not going to buy a tugboat in protest, and I resent any newcomer writing a
screed when he doesn't know either the history, or who he is addressing.
As a well known right wing tax payer, I am truly concerned when I see government employees spending huge amounts of time on private
matters using government resources. Whoever this guy is, he has his nerve lecturing Michael, Stan, and us, and then sending this
stuff out using a government email address.
Steve is also a government employee, and he has also run up against this issue. It will be interesting to see if he replies during
the day, or waits until he is on his own time tonight.
Although it can often seem otherwise, this list was not created as a shill for Stan's company, and Stan knows it. Anyone reading
this list can be pretty sure we all say what we mean, and don't pull many punches. Stan wouldn't have it any other way, and if he
loses a sale because Michael was having a bad night, that's just fine with Stan. Stan knows who his friends are, and what's
important to him.
But I don't think Stan will lose a sale over this matter. If this guy says he's walking away from a superior boat to get back at
Michael, I don't believe him.
If he reads my message to Steve in the way it was intended he may see that maybe he was a little out of line, also. And maybe I am,
too. And maybe I'll offend Steve. And Steve will not sell his boat in protest.
We all know we can count on each other to say something when we are out of line and don't know it. And that's just fine with us.
If the new guy wants to join us, he's welcome. If not, not.
I have now said the same thing in many words I was trying to say with my little aside to Steve in a few words.
The QuoteWithoutComment book is starting to straighten itself out again, so I will be busy with it once again. I've got to clean my
boat for my wife's book club this weekend, so I'll at least get a little time on the water.
The list is great for those times when you want to be thinking about sailing, but can't be doing what you're thinking about.
Back to work,
Bill
PS -- I miss Rummy. Kaboom! RIP
----- Original Message -----
From: ed kroposki
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:17 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill Effros! Famous author
Bill:
What is in the air in NYC? You are going the wrong way on this.
Air pollution? Positive ions? Carbon monoxide? Humidity?
Think of negative ions in fresh mountain breezes. Smell the
flowers. Force a :-)
Ed K
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-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon Green
Hey, Steve,
What's your take on government employees doing personal work on government
equipment and time?
Bill Effros
----- Original Message -----
From: eric.charles.newburger at census.gov
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon Green
<FONT face="Default Sans Serif, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><DIV>Mr. Meltzer,</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I have only recently
joined this list, and so know nothing of its history, your history, nor Mr.
Green's history.</DIV><DIV>I know only how your recent public messages to
Mr. Green, and now a very nice fellow named Stan, have effected
me. </DIV><DIV>Your messages have made me sad, and a little sick.
They make me wary of joining any kind of club that you belong
to--in other words, they make me question whether I should go through
with purchasing the Rhodes 22 that I have already put down a deposit
on. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>I hope your ugly rants are an
abberation. However, even a few messages like these would have been
enough to turn me away from the Rhodes while I was still choosing among
the several small boats out there using this list for part of my
research--something that Stan recommended I do. It seems like he won't
be able to do that so easily in the future. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Like
I said, I am new to this list. It seems like it might be a wonderful
resource for people like me who want to learn from the experience of long
time owners. But if I find more threads like this one, I will
stop researching the archives and try to go it alone. I hope
that it is possible to scrub this thread out of the archives of
this list. I hope it is the only one like it. I hope that I will
never again find so uncivil a message in my in box.
</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Eric
Newburger</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><FONT
color=#990099>-----rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org wrote:
-----<BR><BR></FONT>To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>, "The Rhodes 22
mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org><BR>From: "Michael Meltzer"
<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com><BR>Sent by:
rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<BR>Date: 07/28/2004 12:26AM<BR>Subject:
Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon Green<BR><BR>You know something Stan, I am
sitting here wondering, offended and deeply questioning should have I cared.
BTW dad was a great guy,<BR>leave him out of this horse shit, including how
ever you want to spin it.<BR><BR>MJM<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com><BR>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:34
AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon Green<BR><BR><BR>>
Michael,<BR>><BR>> That Roger guy from the UK that you crucified was
going to buy 3 Rhodes -<BR>> thanks Now he doesn't even want the free
literature.<BR>><BR>> Nevertheless, I love you and agree with Bill
that you should continue being<BR>> yourself and let it all out - much
healthier.<BR>><BR>> Sheldon Green is really a lovely guy but he had a
different father than you<BR>> so was brought up seeing things in a
different light. I always enjoyed<BR>> listening to your father on the
radio but I am sure that your father and<BR>> Green's father would not
have seen things from the same perspective, either.<BR>><BR>> So make
up with your new fellow Rhodie and we will forgive you for voting<BR>>
for Bush. (Well maybe we won't go that far.)<BR>><BR>>
stan/gbi<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Bill
Effros" <bill at effros.com><BR>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org><BR>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:40
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon
Green<BR>><BR>><BR>> Michael, no need to hold back, let out your
true feelings, you'll feel<BR>> better.<BR>><BR>>
Bill<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
Michael Meltzer<BR>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<BR>> Sent: Monday,
July 26, 2004 11:14 PM<BR>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheldon
Green<BR>><BR>><BR>> Sheldon Green may a curse be upon you, wife
and family. Bad healthy, poor<BR>> income, pain and disperse. May all
your luck be bad. May your days be short<BR>> and bitter. May the sea
take your rotten soul soon. I am sorry you every<BR>> because a Rhodes
owner. You have no honor. You did nothing but take and even<BR>> after
that you took some more. Asshole, I just paid off your shortfall<BR>>
asshole. Your were killing them.Your lucky the boys told me after the
fact<BR>> because I would have killed that deal. I hope you kill your
self on the<BR>> fucking boat. Better yet a love one, You are such a
piece of work. Yes<BR>> people I am pissed. Stans to nice and trusting
and would never say anything.<BR>> I am not under such a restriction. Get
wishbone by a drunk. Hope you fuckup<BR>> the boat again, those custom
parts can be a real bitch. Half of me hoping<BR>> the dam boat burn to
the water line, but than you might get insurance, hope<BR>> it just death
of 100 of uninsurable bills. An big yard bills. Ask some<BR>> advice I
have a few great answers ready. Like were to stick the mast.<BR>><BR>>
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