question and RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.

[Mark Kaynor]

Gil,

The Bayfield 36 is another boat we liked - it's a Canadian boat, also
designed by Ted Gozzard, shares a lot of the design features of the Gozzard
36 (clipper bow, relatively shallow draft, etc.), and is generally less
expensive. We saw one in Florida that was our 3rd choice. Separate
tub/shower w/ sit-in tub, included <g>, <4' draft. Very nice boat for the
money.

Mary Lou, Don,

There are so many choices out there it can be dizzying. As you already know,
it's all about compromises.

We went round and round about what we wanted - what compromises we were
willing to make vs. what we could afford, etc. One of the deciding factors
was the Tayana's 6'4 headroom. Another was her classic lines w/ the canoe
stern. Another was the incredible amount of storage space - lockers
everywhere! Over a year ago when we first started looking I was initially
drawn to the Tayana, the Hans Christian, the Lord Nelson, etc., etc. 'cause
I really wanted a double-ender - I love that classic look. Then I started
writing them off as being too slow, too deep draft, too expensive, not
enough buoyancy in a following sea, less storage aft, blah blah blah. Ended
up coming full circle at the end. Go figure.

We must have looked at about 50 boats, not to mention all the time I spent
on the Internet seeing what was for sale, studying, etc. BTW - the advanced
search on yachtworld.com is great for window shopping - I'd punch in "used,
sail, cruiser, 28'-45', new in the last 3 days" every couple of days, just
to see what was coming on the market. Looked at photos, compared features,
read reviews, just generally got a feel for what was available. It was
really a lot of fun. Then we started actually visiting boats. Phew. Some of
our favorites were written off quickly - for instance, I loved everything I
read about the Corbin 39 (pilot house, well-built, fast) but all 3 of them
we visited were built for shorter people than me.

We liked the Tartan 37, but it, too, wasn't quite tall enough inside. We
also really liked the Bayfield 36 I mentioned above. We fell in love with a
Panda 38 we saw just before we bought Rachel, but it had a cracked mast
step, the rigging was shot, and it had teak decks near the end of their
life, etc., etc. Rachel was the only double-ender in the running at the end,
had been extensively cruised, was well maintained w/ lots of upgrades, was
ready to go now, and happily enough, was within our original budget. In the
end, it was a choice between going sailing now in a boat we really liked or
spending more money and waiting another year or two before we could even go
out in a boat we really loved. Or keep looking....and we were pretty tired
of looking by then. We knew we wanted to go sailing, not work on a huge
project, so it wasn't such a tough decision, in the end, and we're really
happy with her.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Eaton, Gil
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:47 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
Subject: RE: qestion and RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.


	My current preference is a Gozzard 36 (<g>).  It's big enough to
sleep 2 plus a big, clumsy sheepdog.  More maintenance, but Air Conditiong
during this summer in the Chesapeake should make it more attractive.  Any
time spent on water messing around on a boat is time to be treasured,
sailing or not.
	gil

Gil Eaton
S/V Dream Catcher
Spring Cove Marina
Rock Hall, MD


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:37 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: qestion and RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.


I'm with Mark on this. I'd hate to have to subscribe to 5 or 6 different
lists to find out what my buds, the former Rhodies are up to. The Seaward
RK 26 appears to be a logical move up from an R22, though it appears that
36 & 37 footers are currently popular.

So here's a question for all the Rhodies out there, if you were to move up
(over or down) - what would your next boat be and why? One of the main
reasons we've stayed small is the ease of maintenance. We like having a
boat on the Chesapeake that we can haul home for the winter. We've talked
about retiring down near the Bay and that has brought consideration of a
bigger boat. Right now I've been looking at Tartan 28s. Supposedly good
sailing, Sparkman & Stevens design, nice deck layout (with the exception of
the bridgedeck traveller which would take some getting used to), good
cockpit, good engine access, good interior layout and some are even
available tiller-steered. Seems like a nice boat for a couple who still
would want to do a lot of daysailing but might want to take off on longer
trips.

Anyone else want to take a stab at this?

Mary Lou
1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
Swan Creek, MD / Ft. Washington, PA


At 07:42 AM 6/28/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>Bob and Nancy Quinn are the ones w/ the Tartan 37 - Julie and I have a
>Tayana 37.
>
>And my two cents worth on this topic - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If
>we can allow the political rants we've seen, surely we can allow boats
other
>than the R22 to be discussed, as well.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
>Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:46 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
>
>
>I can agree with this :-), mjm does not like to work more than the next
man.
>I have to admit I do find the topic a little strange, I
>figured this might have been a problem and asked a few months ago, it
seemed
>that most were ok with it, now that it is a fact, some
>of the same people have a problem. OK, I am sitting druming my fingures on
>what to do, like I have a question about the macys fire
>works/hellgate/anchorage ,an other about puting on names and have I a
answer
>about "centen". Should I even bother asking or
>answering?  Next problem if people did not want me here who should I hand
>the list over to, Mark a 37 tartan, Will is a seaward 26
>and so and I, they will be subject the same "problem".  Now sailnet or
yahoo
>groups would work but they have thier warts. Resomable
>people made a resonable statement/request, My problem is I am human too and
>feel a little rejected, just do not have the hart to
>deal with the list tonight.
>
>MJM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:57 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
>
>
> > I agree, heck this list doesn't have much traffic as it is. Why make MJM
> > have to work any harder supporting two lists. Maybe Rummy was going to
run
> > the new server. ;-)
> >
> > PS Ric - I went sailing Saturday and Sunday.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dan Bodnar" <dsbodnar at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> > >Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:57:14 -0400
> > >
> > >As a regular reader and occasional contributor, I too gave some thought
>to
> > >space taken up by the Seaward dialog, and also came to some
conclusions.
> > >
> > >I happen to agree that it is the people that makes this list what it
is.
> > >The discussion of a 'foreign' boat isn't much different than the
>political
> > >and sports discussions that get going on the list.  It all makes up the
> > >character of this list, and often provides excellent food for thought.
>The
> > >biggest improvement to the management of the list has been the
discipline
> > >I've seen everyone use in keeping the subject line on topic.
> > >
> > >Although I'd move up to the (Still Only A Dream) Rhodes 26, this
>afternoon
> > >if I could, I like hearing the experiences people are having with other
> > >boats, Flicka, Seaward, classic runabouts, Rhodes 19 etc.  These are
>people
> > >I've come to know and their comments, positive and negative, go a long
>way
> > >in influencing my choices and opinions.
> > >
> > >I also think that a lot of the chatter about the Seaward will settle
down
> > >after the boats are delivered and get sorted out.  These people still
>have
> > >a
> > >lot of good Rhodes experience to share with the group. I'd hate to have
> > >them
> > >feel unwelcome, because they are sailing something else, at the moment.
> > >
> > >There is something to be said about the GBI umbrella too.
> > >
> > >Dan Bodnar
> > >SV; QOL, '92 Rhodes 22
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
> > >Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:02 PM
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Just a thought.
> > >
> > >Rummy and all,
> > >
> > >Yeah, you are right about the traffic on the Seaward. BUT, I was
thinking
> > >about this too. True this list is named the R22 list, but when we
really
> > >think about it, isn't it really more like the "I bought a boat from
Stan
> > >and/or Elton list"?? In my estimation we (at least I) are here more
>because
> > >our friends, or people we know are here, than because of which brand of
> > >boat we have. I know there are other Seaward forums already and I'm
sure
> > >most who are migrating to the 26 probably are already communicating on
> > >those as well. I also belong to the Flicka 20 list, but I still come
here
> > >because I like you Rummy, as well as a lot of other folks on the list.
> > >Also, this list tends to be a little less full of the topic police than
> > >most and is more fun to be around because the topic tends to vary from
>day
> > >to day.
> > >
> > >I can't say if this diversity is a good thing or a bad thing for the
>list.
> > >I suppose opinion on this will vary from one person to the next. For me
> > >(yes I know I'm now an outsider) coming here is more about staying in
>touch
> > >with my friends than talking about a specific boat.
> > >
> > >Just my 2 cents worth, probably wasn't worth that much though. :-)
> > >
> > >Hey, somebody sail a little bit for me. Let me know where we went. I'm
> > >working again this weekend.....as usual.
> > >
> > >Rik
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:07 AM 6/26/2004, you wrote:
> > > >I have waited several weeks before writing this post, so a little bit
>of
> > > >thought has gone into writing this.
> > > >I have noticed that the amount of mail concerning the new RK26 is
> > > >overwhelming the list. Not that this is a bad thing, it's just that I
> > > >don't have  any
> > > >interest in it.
> > > >I would like to throw up for discussion the possibility of another
list
> > >for
> > > >the RK26 owners. It is not a Rhodes design hull and I think they need
a
> > >new
> > > >home.
> > > >
> > > >Rummy
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