[Rhodes22-list] New Genny - Was Bullshit

[Roger Pihlaja]

Bill,

I'm glad you & Rummy seem to be able to always tack your 175% genoa thru the
foretriangle in light air without walking the clew across the foredeck.  As
you can see by the many other responses to this post, there are plenty of
folks that have the same trouble that I do.  In addition, I have experience
with tacking big overlapping headsails on plenty of other sailboats & it's a
common problem.  There are also plenty of references in the technical
sailing literature that one of the big disadvantages of big overlapping
headsails is the difficulty in tacking them, expecially in light air.
Perhaps you & Rummy could collaborate on writing a 175% genoa light air
tacking procedure for the FAQ list.  If you guys have it figured out; then,
please share it with the rest of us?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Genny - Was Bullshit


> Roger!
>
> What's the problem here?
>
> I have tried to be as gentle as possible in this discussion, but you have
repeatedly hurled insults, and challenged other people's experience.  We all
know that you have been having a rough time, but that is no excuse for this
behavior.
>
> Your experience with a cruising spinnaker is irrelevant in this discussion
of 175 genoas.  I have never, ever, had to go forward to help get the clew
across the foredeck.  Rummy says that his experience has been the same as
mine.  Fred says that his experience has been the same as Rummy's.
>
> I wrote in an earlier post, in this same thread, stating that tacking with
the 175 is a piece of cake.  Why are you challenging my experience on this?
You don't have the 175 genny.  I have gone for entire summers without
missing a single tack! If I miss 5 a year it's a lot.  20 kt wind--2 kt
wind--it doesn't matter.  It is extremely easy to single-handedly tack a 175
genny while remaining in the cockpit of a Rhodes 22.
>
> And while I'm at it, let me point out that we were not talking about
sailing an upwind beat with a 175 genoa fully extended inside the shrouds.
We all know you can't do that, but for some reason you felt compelled to
inject that notion, impute it to others, and then provide an equation
proving that it is physically impossible.  Wow!
>
> But that has nothing to do with what we were talking about.  I don't use
sailing to prove I am smarter than other people.  I sail because I like the
way it feels, and I know Rummy sails for essentially the same reason.  We
sail in 20 kt winds with fully extended 175 genoas because it's a rush, and
it's insulting to have someone who doesn't have a 175 genoa hammer home the
point that what we do can't be done.
>
> I rarely sail on rivers.  I don't race.  I'm sure Wally will be able to
figure out the best sail for his needs, and if I could lend him my 175 I
surely would because I would love to know how it fares in his circumstances.
>
> I feel better now.
>
> I'm sorry if I have hurt your feelings.  That is not my intention.
However, I think you should be spending a little more time trying not to
hurt the feelings of others.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Pihlaja
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Genny - Was Bullshit
>
>
> Rummy,
>
> Sorry; but, I do have a headsail that is at least as big a 175% genoa, my
> cruising spinnaker.  It is attached at the head & foot just like a genoa &
> sheeted just like a genoa.  When tacking this sail in light air, someone
> almost always has to go to the foredeck to help get the clew across the
> foredeck.  Rummy, please don't presume to tell me what I know & what I
don't
> know.  At least my opinions are based upon solid theory & backed up with
> data not charming anecdotes.
>
> If you are sick of this thread; then, just hit delete and stop responding
to
> it.  If I'm pompous because I've called you on something that is
absolutely
> impossible and you just can't admit you were exagerating; then, so be it.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Genny - Was Bullshit
>
>
> > Roger,
> > Again you are speaking out of turn. Since you don't have the 175, you
> don't
> > have a clue as to how it comes through. All you have is an opinion.
Don't
> think
> > that that makes it so.
> > The 175 IS NOT a bear to tack with, even in light air.
> > I'm sick of this thread and your pomposity.
> >
> > Rummy
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