[Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Mon May 3 08:47:41 EDT 2004 

MJM,

I should have said one cannot visit Cuba without proper approval from the US 
Government. The way my firends visited was by sailing from Jamaica (I 
think). They have island hopped for years. This visit was illegal in the 
eyes of the US.

Cuba had a thriving tourist industry pre-Castro. It is a beautiful country 
and tourisim would boom if allowed.

Wally


>From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:45:50 -0400
>
>it not against the law to go to Cuba. you can even send money to Cuba, the 
>"problem" is you are only allowed to spend $150(IIRC) or
>bring back 150$ of goods.
>
>MJM
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
>
>
> > I freely admit it is against the law to go to Cuba. Also for the record 
>I am
> > against slavery. So you think you know what is better for the Cuban 
>people
> > than they do? They can't feed their belly with your misguided good
> > intentions. The time for the embargo has passed.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Wally
> > >Do you know that in some part of Africa that you can
> > >still buy slaves???????  But just because you can;
> > >does that make it right.  Of course not.
> > >
> > >Going to Cuba and spending money is against the law.
> > >It prop up Castro & does not benefit the people on the
> > >whole.  Yes, the few people that got your friends
> > >money may have benefit in the short haul; BUT not in
> > >the LONG HAUL.  Not by any means!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > > Of course they broke the law; everyone knows that
> > > > Americans can't trade or
> > > > visit with Cuba. Duh!!! The big picture contains
> > > > more than what is good for
> > > > the US, the big picture includes what is good for
> > > > Cuba.
> > > >
> > > > The issue is do the local Cubans benefit or suffer
> > > > from visits from US
> > > > tourists? I know one couple that has been to Cuba
> > > > three times and they spend
> > > > a bunch of cash that goes right into the pockets of
> > > > the locals. The local
> > > > Cubans surely are thinking of their own bests
> > > > interest and they want the
> > > > embargo lifted. I guess you know what is better for
> > > > the Cubans than they do
> > > > huh? I guess part of being a "superpower" is knowing
> > > > what is best for every
> > > > other country in the world?
> > > >
> > > > Thankfully you are wrong! We are free to leave our
> > > > borders with very few
> > > > exceptions. One could even visit the USSR during the
> > > > Cold War. Travel can be
> > > > restricted to protect our National Security and
> > > > travel restrictions have
> > > > been passed by Congress. These restrictions should
> > > > be linked to our National
> > > > Security.  At one time the embargo with Cuba was
> > > > most likely a good idea.
> > > > That time has clearly passed.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Wally
> > > > >Your friends broke the law.  The government does &
> > > > >always have had the right to tell you what
> > > > countries
> > > > >you can visit.  BTW: Our country is at war. The
> > > > reason
> > > > >you can't see how it hurts is your thinking of only
> > > > >your own seft interests; not the big picture.  Try
> > > > to
> > > > >think of it like this; our great country has
> > > > liberated
> > > > >2 terrorist country.  However, we have a dictator
> > > > >right in our own back yard.  This country needs to
> > > > do
> > > > >MORE to correct that & liberate those people also.
> > > > >Remember, it you go there, you are a tourist but
> > > > these
> > > > >supprest people don't have the freedoms that you
> > > > have.
> > > > >  The big pictures is to do all we can do so that
> > > > these
> > > > >suppresed Cubans can experience the same freedom
> > > > that
> > > > >we have.  That will never happen if Americans prop
> > > > up
> > > > >the Cuban Dictator.  The cubans will still suffer &
> > > > >only Castro will benefit from it.
> > > > >Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The big picture is our governement should not
> > > > have
> > > > > > the right to tell us what
> > > > > > countries we can visit. I can see exceptions in
> > > > > > times of war but this isn't
> > > > > > the case with Cuba. Many think that the people
> > > > of
> > > > > > Cuba would be better off
> > > > > > if we eased some of the restrictions. I  can't
> > > > see
> > > > > > how it would hurt. I
> > > > > > myself have a few friends that have traveled to
> > > > Cuba
> > > > > > on scuba/sailing trips.
> > > > > > It is an amazing country and the locals were
> > > > quite
> > > > > > eager to do business. Our
> > > > > > trade embargos hurt the common man in Cuba much
> > > > more
> > > > > > than it does Castro.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wally
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Todd
> > > > > > >Your not seeing the big picture.  Your putting
> > > > your
> > > > > > >own self interest before the country.  Yes,
> > > > > > sometime
> > > > > > >this country has to tolerate these situation
> > > > but
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > >is always a good reason.  I have said that in a
> > > > > > >preivous e-mail.  Another previous quote, "But
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >whole or as the basic rule, we should not
> > > > support
> > > > > > >them".  There is simple no reason for Americans
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >going to Cuba or to be planning to go to Cuba.
> > > > > > These
> > > > > > >type of situation take the focus of our Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > >off of it real duty to chase down spoiled
> > > > > > Americans.
> > > > > > >Here is a quote for you, "Ask not what your
> > > > country
> > > > > > >can do for you but what you can do for your
> > > > > > country".
> > > > > > >In this situation, a good thing you can do for
> > > > your
> > > > > > >country is not initiate a situation that our
> > > > Coast
> > > > > > >Guard would have to intervien in such as trying
> > > > or
> > > > > > >planing on going to Cuba.  There is just no
> > > > point
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > >it when our country is at war and our Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >other priorities.
> > > > > > >Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >     But if Castro had wealth or oil to
> > > > spread
> > > > > > around
> > > > > > > > here in the U.S. like say....the Royal
> > > > family in
> > > > > > > > Saudi Arabia... then he would also be
> > > > welcomed
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > open arms??  Give me a freaking break. The
> > > > > > United
> > > > > > > > States supports dictators when it benefits
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > United States.  Castro is too proud and
> > > > defiant
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bend over and kiss America's ass.  Bush is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > pulling election year politics (which he
> > > > learned
> > > > > > > > from watching Clinton and his spindoctors do
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > years)under the guise of Homeland security.
> > > > He
> > > > > > > > needs as many votes in Florida as he can
> > > > get.
> > > > > > Jeb
> > > > > > > > can't help him this go'round.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >    Castro is not interested in the overthrow
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > US government or conducting or for that
> > > > matter,
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > supporting terrorism against us. Our beef
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > Castro has more to do with human rights
> > > > abuses
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > anything else. If Cuba had any natural
> > > > resources
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > exploit, or anything of value to offer
> > > > besides
> > > > > > > > cigars or perhaps, cheap labor, U.S. big
> > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > would be down there setting shop
> > > > > > > > tomorrow...socialist republic or not. You
> > > > can
> > > > > > bet
> > > > > > > > your boy Bush would see to that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > > > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > A country as great as our does not need to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > > supporting Dictators. Especialy Not with
> > > > our
> > > > > > > > money.
> > > > > > > > > Certain situations require this country to
> > > > > > > > tolerate
> > > > > > > > > certain things from some contries. But on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > whole or
> > > > > > > > > as the basic rule, we should not support
> > > > them.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > cubans are ruled by a dictator and until
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > changes;
> > > > > > > > > should be cut off from the free world.
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Steve,
> > > > > > > > > > Hello?  We're not at war with Cuba.
> > > > Bush is
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > > calling Cuba a terrorist
> > > > > > > > > > state.  Baloney!  Have you ever heard of
> > > > a
> > > > > > Cuban
> > > > > > > > > > terrorist?  The Bay of Pigs
> > > > > > > > > > was 42 years ago and the Cold War is
> > > > over.
> > > > > > > > Who's
> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Castro at this
> > > > > > > > > > point?  He's no threat, he has no
> > > > powerful
> > > > > > > > allies
> > > > > > > > > > and he has no money.
> > > > > > > > > > What's he gonna do?  Load up a bunch of
> > > > his
> > > > > > '53
> > > > > > > > > > Chevys and invade Key West?
> > > > > > > > > > Conga drums don't make very good
> > > > cannons.
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > law is a heavy-handed,
> > > > > > > > > > jack-booted piece of fascist politicking
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > strips
> > > > > > > > > > Americans of their
> > > > > > > > > > civil rights.  And he's just doing it
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > damn
> > > > > > > > > > votes of those who came
> > > > > > > > > > to this country to escape that very
> > > > thing.
> > > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/04 9:23 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Slim
> > > > > > > > > > > Something that needs to be factor in
> > > > is
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > Coast
> > > > > > > > > > > Guard should not have to be running
> > > > > > Americans
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > after they go to Cuba.  The Coast
> > > > Guard
> > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > guarding our US coasts.  This law
> > > > should
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Coast Guard by getting people that are
> > > > > > willing
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > break existing laws regarding Cuba by
> > > > > > allowing
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Coast Guard to go ahead & throw them
> > > > in
> > > > > > jail
> > > > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > > having to chase them down after they
> > > > break
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > law.
> > > > > > > > > > > Its one of these things that citizen
> > > > have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > endure
> > > > > > > > > > > when our country is at WAR.
> > > > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Steve,
> > > > > > > > > > >> You misunderstood.  I'm not saying I
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > Castro.
> > > > > > > > > > >>  I'm saying Bush is a
> > > > > > > > > > >> fascist for passing this law.  You
> > > > don't
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> tried or found guilty of
> > > > > > > > > > >> anything or even probable cause
> > > > > > needed--just
> > > > > > > > > > >> suspected of going to Cuba--to
> > > > > > > > > > >> lose your boat.  Whatever happened to
> > > > > > > > innocent
> > > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > >> proven guilty?  Yes, of
> > > > > > > > > > >> course he's trying to court the
> > > > > > anti-Castro
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cuban-Americans that live in
> > > > > > > > > > >> Florida, but that doesn't give him
> > > > the
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> trash the Constitution!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >> If I were to be overheard just
> > > > talking
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > > > >> of cigars and Salsa
> > > > > > > > > > >> dancing--BAM!--the Bush Nazis could
> > > > > > > > commandeer my
> > > > > > > > > > >> beloved Fandango for no
> > > > > > > > > > >> reason at all, and you seem to think
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > OK?
> > > > > > > > > > >> Wake up and smell the storm
> > > > > > > > > > >> troopers!!!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/04 7:38 AM, "Steve"
> > > > > > > > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I read that article.  Why would you
> > > > want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> Cuba
> > > > > > > > > > >>> and support a Dictator??????????????
> > > > > > > > Spending
> > > > > > > > > > >> money
> > > > > > > > > > >>> there has always been Illegal.  All
> > > > Bush
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > >>> putting a stop to people going
> > > > there.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > > > > >>> planning on going there, spending
> > > > money
> > > > > > > > there,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> basically showing that you support a
> > > > > > > > dictator
> > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > > > > >>> kept his country in poverty; you
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > nothing to
> > > > > > > > > > >> worry
> > > > > > > > > > >>> about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It come down to
> > > > who
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >> support -
> > > > > > > > > > >>> America & Freedom ----- or Dictators
> > > > &
> > > > > > > > > > >> suppression!
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Steve
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> The May issue of Cruising World
> > > > reports
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> law
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> passed by George W.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Pinhead whereas the govt. can
> > > > board,
> > > > > > > > inspect,
> > > > > > > > > > >> search
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> and/or commandeer ANY
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> boat at ANY time in American waters
> > > > if
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >> merely
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> suspect that boat might
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> be going to or from Cuba, which is
> > > > now
> > > > > > > > defined
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> terrorist state.  It
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> doesn't sound like they need any
> > > > proof
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > >> probably
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> cause.  The way I read
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> it, the govt. has been given Carte
> > > > > > Blanche
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> above any
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> right-to-privacy issues.  If anyone
> > > > has
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > doubt
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> that this administration
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> has trampled the Constitution and
> > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > > >> Fascist
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> regime, one need look no
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> further than this!
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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