[Rhodes22-list] Pointing

Wed May 5 10:30:07 EDT 2004

Just read some discussion about pointing at 45 degrees.  We just returned 
from another trip to Florida (Charlotte Harbor area) and we had winds in the 
15-20 knot range most of the week.  While pointing to windward on our last 
day, we had 16-18 knots, the sheets were inside the shrouds, the sheets were 
run through my new inside genoa track and the best we could point was 50-55 
degrees to the apparent wind. Steering was by autopilot while I tweaked the 
sails and kept pointing us as high as possible. The wind instrument (ST-40) 
told me all this, so it was not an estimate or a WAG.  Anyway, I noticed 
that a number of larger, deeper draft boats were pointing much better, which 
is logical since the R-22 is a small, beamy trailerable boat and close 
hauled is not the best point of sail.  My rigging is not really "tuned" but 
I did have the backstay tight.  Just wanted to share this with the list 
because 45 degrees would be excellent, especially with a 175 genoa...  We 
had the mainsail half furled (IMF) and the genoa only out about halfway and 
the boom in the lower position.  Even when the wind was gusting to 20-21 
knots, the ride was very comfortable, and the heeling was minimal: 15 
degrees or less, which made my wife very happy.  She enjoyed it immensely.  
Our boat speed was about 3.5 - 4 knots.
Bob K
Yankee Clipper
The boat will be back at Lake Hartwell in two weeks, as soon as the damage 
from trailering has been repaired (don't ask)!

>From: <reme2952 at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
>Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 7:03:31 -0500
>
>
> > Ben,
>Thanks for your response.  Your suggestions were well taken, but I know we 
>can do even better than 45 degrees.  We'll be sure to let you know how.
>) Andy
> > From: Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com>
> > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:48:52 CDT
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > Call me crazy, but 45 degrees is pretty good for a beamy sailboat made 
>for
> > comfort more than made for racing.  Most of the cruising boats that I've
> > been on can point only to about 50-55 degrees.
> >
> > That said, something else to try is to furl the genoa, and bring the 
>sheets
> > inside the shrouds.  Also, of course, make sure the pop-top and hatches 
>are
> > closed.  All of that can make a big difference.
> >
> > You didn't mention wind speed in your message.  Since moving the 
>traveler
> > windward helped, I would think that it was pretty light air.  Naturally, 
>the
> > best sail trim and rigging options will vary with the strength of the 
>wind.
> > If you have standard main, how old is it?  You will probably lose 
>pointing
> > ability as the sailcloth loses stiffness.  I'm sure your bottom is clean
> > after the refurb., but if not, that can cause a difference also.
> >
> > Of course, I'm currently sailing with nice soft sails, a bottom that is
> > slimier than it should be, and usually with the bimini and pop top up, 
>so
> > what do I know?
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Ben
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lessard [ mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com
> > <mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com> ]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 07:06
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> >
> >
> > Help!     We got our butts kicked last night.
> >
> > We are the proud, new owners of a refurbished Rhodes22.  We enjoy 
>cruising,
> > but trading from a J22, we still appreciate performance and a little
> > competition in sailing with the cruising fleet at Riverton Yacht Club on 
>the
> > Deleware.
> >
> > Elton did an excellent job getting the boat set up and on the go.  But 
>we do
> > not have any information about tuning.  We have new Doyle sails.
> >
> > We would also appreciate any help in how to best trim the sails to point
> > better to the wind.  With the rigging set up the way we were given the 
>boat,
> > the best we could manage was 60 degrees to the wind.  With the current 
>we
> > have on the river, that is not high enough to even make the weather 
>mark.
> > What we have done is keep the boom in the lower position, moved the car 
>as
> > far back as it will go on the jib sheet and trimmed the jib sheet back
> > almost to the car.  Last night we tried moving the traveller on the main 
>to
> > windward and that seemed to help.  What helped the most was cranking 
>down on
> > the rear stay.  To windward, we kept the centerboard all the way down.  
>With
> > all these efforts, the best we could point was about 45 degrees.  Still 
>not
> > enough.
> >
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  We do understand we are not 
>sailing a
> > J22, but we also know that every sailboat has its optimum tuning and
> > trimming. Thank You,
> >
> > Andy Lessard
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