[Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?

Bob Keller r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com
Thu May 6 09:19:39 EDT 2004 

Two points that were obvious to me, but I did not mention are that my wife 
does not qualify as good rail weight since she is only 95 lb. and she 
doesn't like the boat heeled a whole lot, so I minimized sail area, thus 
minimizing heeling angle (<15 degrees) at the cost of boat speed.  It wasn't 
fast, but we weren't stalled either even though we were pinching.  And most 
important, my wife liked it...  We did hit 6.3 knots earlier in the day on a 
beam reach-that was great.
Bob K


>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing is Bob right?
>Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 22:54:18 -0400
>
>Michael,
>	You have a point.  Keith Burhhardt did better than that with no
>prior Rhodes sailing experience.  Either he did better or his GPS was 
>wrong.
>And he was doing it with a malfunctioning genoa and less wind.
>                           Ed K
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 6:02 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing
>
>15-20 knots of wind and only 3.5-4 knots of boat speed, now that is
>embarrassing. unless it a typeo you need a sail trimming lesson
>that best done on the water.
>
>MJM
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:30 AM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pointing
>
>
> > Just read some discussion about pointing at 45 degrees.  We just 
>returned
> > from another trip to Florida (Charlotte Harbor area) and we had winds in
>the
> > 15-20 knot range most of the week.  While pointing to windward on our 
>last
> > day, we had 16-18 knots, the sheets were inside the shrouds, the sheets
>were
> > run through my new inside genoa track and the best we could point was
>50-55
> > degrees to the apparent wind. Steering was by autopilot while I tweaked
>the
> > sails and kept pointing us as high as possible. The wind instrument
>(ST-40)
> > told me all this, so it was not an estimate or a WAG.  Anyway, I noticed
> > that a number of larger, deeper draft boats were pointing much better,
>which
> > is logical since the R-22 is a small, beamy trailerable boat and close
> > hauled is not the best point of sail.  My rigging is not really "tuned"
>but
> > I did have the backstay tight.  Just wanted to share this with the list
> > because 45 degrees would be excellent, especially with a 175 genoa...  
>We
> > had the mainsail half furled (IMF) and the genoa only out about halfway
>and
> > the boom in the lower position.  Even when the wind was gusting to 20-21
> > knots, the ride was very comfortable, and the heeling was minimal: 15
> > degrees or less, which made my wife very happy.  She enjoyed it 
>immensely.
> > Our boat speed was about 3.5 - 4 knots.
> > Bob K
> > Yankee Clipper
> > The boat will be back at Lake Hartwell in two weeks, as soon as the 
>damage
> > from trailering has been repaired (don't ask)!
> >
> >
> > >From: <reme2952 at verizon.net>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 7:03:31 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ben,
> > >Thanks for your response.  Your suggestions were well taken, but I know
>we
> > >can do even better than 45 degrees.  We'll be sure to let you know how.
> > >) Andy
> > > > From: Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com>
> > > > Date: 2004/04/29 Thu PM 01:48:52 CDT
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > > >
> > > > Andy,
> > > >
> > > > Call me crazy, but 45 degrees is pretty good for a beamy sailboat 
>made
> > >for
> > > > comfort more than made for racing.  Most of the cruising boats that
>I've
> > > > been on can point only to about 50-55 degrees.
> > > >
> > > > That said, something else to try is to furl the genoa, and bring the
> > >sheets
> > > > inside the shrouds.  Also, of course, make sure the pop-top and
>hatches
> > >are
> > > > closed.  All of that can make a big difference.
> > > >
> > > > You didn't mention wind speed in your message.  Since moving the
> > >traveler
> > > > windward helped, I would think that it was pretty light air.
>Naturally,
> > >the
> > > > best sail trim and rigging options will vary with the strength of 
>the
> > >wind.
> > > > If you have standard main, how old is it?  You will probably lose
> > >pointing
> > > > ability as the sailcloth loses stiffness.  I'm sure your bottom is
>clean
> > > > after the refurb., but if not, that can cause a difference also.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, I'm currently sailing with nice soft sails, a bottom that
>is
> > > > slimier than it should be, and usually with the bimini and pop top 
>up,
> > >so
> > > > what do I know?
> > > >
> > > > Good luck,
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lessard [ mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com
> > > > <mailto:lessard at fabulousfloors.com> ]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 07:06
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tuning and such
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Help!     We got our butts kicked last night.
> > > >
> > > > We are the proud, new owners of a refurbished Rhodes22.  We enjoy
> > >cruising,
> > > > but trading from a J22, we still appreciate performance and a little
> > > > competition in sailing with the cruising fleet at Riverton Yacht 
>Club
>on
> > >the
> > > > Deleware.
> > > >
> > > > Elton did an excellent job getting the boat set up and on the go.  
>But
> > >we do
> > > > not have any information about tuning.  We have new Doyle sails.
> > > >
> > > > We would also appreciate any help in how to best trim the sails to
>point
> > > > better to the wind.  With the rigging set up the way we were given 
>the
> > >boat,
> > > > the best we could manage was 60 degrees to the wind.  With the 
>current
> > >we
> > > > have on the river, that is not high enough to even make the weather
> > >mark.
> > > > What we have done is keep the boom in the lower position, moved the
>car
> > >as
> > > > far back as it will go on the jib sheet and trimmed the jib sheet 
>back
> > > > almost to the car.  Last night we tried moving the traveller on the
>main
> > >to
> > > > windward and that seemed to help.  What helped the most was cranking
> > >down on
> > > > the rear stay.  To windward, we kept the centerboard all the way 
>down.
> > >With
> > > > all these efforts, the best we could point was about 45 degrees.
>Still
> > >not
> > > > enough.
> > > >
> > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  We do understand we are not
> > >sailing a
> > > > J22, but we also know that every sailboat has its optimum tuning and
> > > > trimming. Thank You,
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lessard
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