[Rhodes22-list] pictures

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Nov 5 08:29:08 EST 2004 

MJM & Richard,

I think we are being to easy on him rather than to hard! I have visited, 
surfed, and sailid in the Outer Banks of NC for many years I can assure you 
no one anchors close to this beach area. The Outer Banks are known for 
strong tides, large waves, and strorms. It is poor judgement to anchor near 
the shore ocean side. In over 30 years I have never seen a sailboat anchor 
ocean side from the VA border down to Ocracoke Island. If one wants to 
anchor you go inside at Ocracoke or Oregon Inlet, or  just stay off shore. 
The weather shows a forecasted three day storm. Many beach roads were washed 
out in an area that is used to handling large storm surge. I don't know what 
the hell he was thinking! This guy used terrible judgement.

Island Packets are off shore boats. He should have been off shore or 
anchored inside the sound.

Wally



>From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: Richard Smith <sailnut at worldnet.att.net>,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:42:14 -0500
>
>I thing everyone being to hard on the guy, sounds like he was at anchors in 
>shallow to begin with), ran over the rode pulling it up(that was a mistake) 
>and ended up on a lee shore trying to figure out what to do(and in I can 
>not anchor or run the motor and jumping in with a boat pounding above my 
>head is not great). tried to use the jib but was to late(IMF is for safety 
>now :-). the funny thing is the wind seem to be blowing away from shore by 
>the sail set, how did he end up their?
>
>MJM
>
>Richard Smith wrote:
>
>><There was a 72
>>
>>
>>>hour storm that pounded the coast with 7 - 10 foot waves washing out
>>>
>>>
>>several
>>
>>
>>>coastal roads.>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The breaker looks to be around 6 feet.  The offshore swells are short of 2
>>feet.  The fact that they are regular and so evident under the otherwise
>>calm conditions led me to conclude that they were the product of an
>>off-shore storm.
>>
>>< The guy really should not have been near the Outer Banks
>>
>>
>>>under conditions like this.>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>These conditions are not a bit unusual for ocean sailing and can actually 
>>be
>>enjoyable.  I have been in 8/10 foot swells in a 19 foot boat in Block
>>Island Sound with no feeling of anxiety at all.
>>
>>< It looks like the guy made many mistakes. >
>>
>>I think he ran the boat to close to shore.  Entirely unnecessary.  When
>>making a costal passage it's best to be at least a 1/4 to 1/2 mile off
>>shore.  At even that short distance the  wind blows at a more constant
>>velocity and the danger of encountering a shoal in small boat is minimal.  
>>I
>>know several blue water sailors who when making a costal passage who 
>>prefer
>>to drop the shore below their horizon for exactly the same reason.
>>
>>In a new boat with minimal danger of a breakdown it's folly to get so 
>>close
>>to the shore.   To many that advice seems counter-intuitive but I am sure
>>any relatively experienced sailor will agree with this. If you don't trust
>>your equipment you should not be there at all!
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hopefully the damage is not to bad.>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Fiberglass boats are tough and the beach is sandy and pretty flat, I doubt
>>if it amounted to much more then cosmetic.  Looking at the photos again I
>>think he may have dumped unto the hard following the broach and got swept 
>>up
>>by the next couple of breakers.  The parts at risk were the rudder and the
>>possibility of the engine remained running without oil in the sump and/or 
>>no
>>cooling.
>>
>>Richard Smith
>>
>>
>>>I also checked the local Nags Head newspaper and could not get any more
>>>info.
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:48:48 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Bob,
>>>>
>>>>Based upon the shape of the cabin dog house, 5 small opening ports in 
>>>>the
>>>>doghouse, wheel steering, shape of the stern pulpit, bow anchor 
>>>>platform,
>>>>masthead rig, reverse transom W/O built-in swim platform, full keel, &
>>>>shape
>>>>of the transom; I would guess the boat is an Island Packet 350 or 380.
>>>>
>>>>The 1st picture looks like he was trying to come about & almost made it
>>>>before the wave caused him to broach.  He never sheeted the genoa in on
>>>>port
>>>>tack.  After the 1st picture, he's toast!
>>>>
>>>>Why would someone be trying to claw off a lee shore with the only the
>>>>genoa?
>>>>
>>>>Roger Pihlaja
>>>>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Bob Dilk" <Bob.Dilk at TRW.COM>
>>>>To: <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>; <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 11:29 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the boat seems to have taken it well.
>>>>>anybody know the boat manufacture?
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tnrhodey at hotmail.com 11/04/04 11:18AM >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have seen these pics on two others sites. Supposedly anchor line
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>fouled
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>prop and rudder. Sure seems like he should have hoisted the main well
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>before
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>he got in the shore break.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] pictures
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:33:36 EST
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a message dated 11/4/2004 9:25:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>SVTRITON at aol.com writes:
>>>>>>http://www.surfkdh.com/sailboat.htm
>>>>>>I'd be willing to bet he eaither ran out of fuelo, or his four stroke
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>motor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>died on him. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rummy
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