[Rhodes22-list] Politics - Brad's Left Wing Source

[ed kroposki]

Brad:
	Are you really quoting the "New Republic" and an article by a
"Brookings Fellow"?  These organizations have been as far left as you can
get.  How come the liberal issue supporters on this list are not endorsing
your articles?
	The truth is probably they do not read what you site.  They think
that their belief is the one true belief and they do not need to think any
further.
	When I came to South Carolina, I was amazed at a group of local
citizens.  I observed that this group was ignorant and what amazed me, was
that they were proud to be ignorant.  They were completely intransient in
their opinions.
	It was interesting because you always knew this group.  Your nose
told you.  You could smell them.  They did not practice modern hygiene.
They did not take baths.

Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Moral Clarity

Ed,

Here is a very good article on the role of "moral
issues" and the recent election:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=c3t%2FZx7FXm7Px4waAFUYsx%3D%3D

Being religious doesn't make one moral nor does being
a moral person require one to be religious.  There has
been too much made of this issue.  But, if you need a
scapegoat, moral issues is as good as any.

Brad

 
--- ed kroposki <ekroposki at charter.net wrote:

 Folks:
 
 Moral Clarity is a political term.  Moral Clarity is
 "the real black and
 white line that divides free societies from fear
 societies, the real line
 that divides good from evil."  Sharansky, Natan and
 Dermer, Ron (2004) The
 Case For Democracy, The Power of Freedom to Overcome
 Tyranny and Terror. New
 York: Public Affairs.
 
 There is no deity in this definition notwithstanding
 the author is
 associated with a particular religion. 
 
 This book is available in print only and not on
 audio.
 
 Ed K
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
 [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert Skinner
 Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 6:14 PM
 To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.
 
 Rummy -
 
 Couldn't agree more about the problems that come 
 up when we combine religion with politics.
 
 Part of the background of our current "family
 values"
 vs. secular considerations may come from our failure
 to distinguish between moral issues and ethical
 ones.
 
 Morals are a product of a person's dialogue with his
 deity of choice - and there is more than one such
 acknowledged in this country.
 
 Ethics are shared in a society without regard to
 religion - or the society falls apart.  When the 
 society decides to enforce morals, it becomes a
 theocracy, and people's rights are submerged in the
 regulations laid down by the priest class, specially
 when it is indistinguishable from the ruling class.
 
 I believe that the "family values" issues raised in
 the last election are totally irrelevant to our
 government, and were used in the most unscrupulous 
 way to obscure the real issues confronting our
 government.
 
 /Robert Skinner
 -----------------------------------------------
 R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
  
  In a message dated 11/21/2004 2:06:47 PM Eastern
 Standard Time,
  flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
  
 http://realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/2004_County_Results_Final.html
  I get it now, those people that didn't vote for
 Bush, according to the red
  and blue map, are less religious than those that
 did.
  This country is in a sad state of affairs. What
 happens to the people that
  are either in the red or blue, voted for their
 candidate, but aren't
 religious?
   Where do we fit in? Personally, I don't think
 religion has any place in
  politics. Something about the separation of church
 and state. Our founding
  father's were very smart in writing this into our
 constitution. Putting
 the two
  together only muddies the waters even more than
 they already are. Religion
 or
  actions taken in the name of religion have done
 more harm to the planet
 than
  any  other "just" cause. Let the priests, rabbi's,
 mullah's(sp) and
 ministers
  tend their flocks, but leave the rest of us alone.
  
  Rummy