[Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.

[stan]

give that man a free Rhodes

Actually the records show that the bleeding heart liberals have a marriage 
record far superior to the conservative bible belt crowd.   We have been 
married well over 50 years - she to two men and me to three ladies.  Just 
kidding, only to each other - something I have found extremely rare in the 
religious right part of the country where the rule for that family value is 
more like musical chairs.

stan/EC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Staum" <staum at earthlink.net>
To: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.


>I have to weigh in with Robert on this one.  I cannot stand all the "family
> values" crap dispursed by the Republicans.  It is as if Democrats,
> Independants and (God forbid we mention) Liberals did not care about their
> families.
>
> Religion (including prayer in school) has no place in government.  SS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.
>
>
>> I have to disagree on your definition of morals and ethics.  In most,
>> if not all, dictionaries, morals and ethics are synonymous terms and
>> are often used to define one another.  Nether one implies a Deity.
>> They both are based upon acting out of a sense of right or wrong, good
>> or evil.
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:13:36 -0500, Robert Skinner
>> <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>> > Rummy -
>> >
>> > Couldn't agree more about the problems that come
>> > up when we combine religion with politics.
>> >
>> > Part of the background of our current "family values"
>> > vs. secular considerations may come from our failure
>> > to distinguish between moral issues and ethical ones.
>> >
>> > Morals are a product of a person's dialogue with his
>> > deity of choice - and there is more than one such
>> > acknowledged in this country.
>> >
>> > Ethics are shared in a society without regard to
>> > religion - or the society falls apart.  When the
>> > society decides to enforce morals, it becomes a
>> > theocracy, and people's rights are submerged in the
>> > regulations laid down by the priest class, specially
>> > when it is indistinguishable from the ruling class.
>> >
>> > I believe that the "family values" issues raised in
>> > the last election are totally irrelevant to our
>> > government, and were used in the most unscrupulous
>> > way to obscure the real issues confronting our
>> > government.
>> >
>> > /Robert Skinner
>> > -----------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In a message dated 11/21/2004 2:06:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> > > flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
>> > >
>> > >
> http://realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/2004_County_Results_Final.html
>> > > I get it now, those people that didn't vote for Bush, according to 
>> > > the
> red
>> > > and blue map, are less religious than those that did.
>> > > This country is in a sad state of affairs. What happens to the people
> that
>> > > are either in the red or blue, voted for their candidate, but aren't
> religious?
>> > >  Where do we fit in? Personally, I don't think religion has any place
> in
>> > > politics. Something about the separation of church and state. Our
> founding
>> > > father's were very smart in writing this into our constitution.
> Putting the two
>> > > together only muddies the waters even more than they already are.
> Religion or
>> > > actions taken in the name of religion have done more harm to the
> planet than
>> > > any  other "just" cause. Let the priests, rabbi's, mullah's(sp) and
> ministers
>> > > tend their flocks, but leave the rest of us alone.
>> > >
>> > > Rummy
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