[Rhodes22-list] Bill's Motor Replies

Sun Oct 3 12:53:57 EDT 2004

Ed,

As you know, I don't have the time at this moment to write about boat stuff.  In a nutshell, my view on motors and virtually everything else regarding the R-22 is that each of us must first carefully define our needs before making a decision.  

In my case, and in the experience of many others on the list, the R-22 is such a good sailboat that we use our motors infrequently.  That being the case, it doesn't make sense, in our view, to spend a lot of money on a state-of-the-art motor, when that money can better be spent elsewhere.

Very low polluting, reasonably quiet, low weight, extremely reliable, inexpensive 2-stroke engines are currently available.  For me and many others on this list--that is our choice.  I like electric start/alternator engines because I am on a mooring, and I recharge my batteries every time I use my engine--that coupled with the constant low input of my solar panels is all I ever need.  Long shafts propel better in use, but drag in the water on some boats.

There may be other factors others wish to add.  

Bill Effros

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: ed kroposki 
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bill's Motor Replies

Bill:

You are the professional writer.  Instead of finding flames where
there are none, why not write an eloquent discussion of your knowledge about
motors and email it to Tom.  The motor stuff on the FAQ needs updating and
you are one of the most qualified to write a viewpoint different than
Roger's.  

I only asked you to make a positive contribution within your
capabilities, and you reply on irrelevant issues.  You are getting too
psyched out over alleged personal attacks.

Watch the attachments for a minute.

Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:23 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raz's Motor by Bill

Ed,

One of the problems with the list is that new people ask questions without
doing any homework.  We have spent thousands of hours discussing this issue,
and have left behind hundreds of pages of opinions, all of which are
accessible by any new person joining this list.  Instead of taking (another)
swipe at me personally, why don't you just tell him where he can find this
information, as you have done with much other information we have compiled
on other issues.  

This is not a simple question, and you know it.  If I re-present my views,
then Roger, and Rummy, and everyone else will have to re-present theirs,
also.  I'm tired of it.  I know Roger is, too.  You, and everyone else who
has been on this list for a while, know we don't agree on this matter.  Let
the new Raz read it all and make up his own mind.  There is no reason to
pour gasoline on this fire.

I did not want to take a swipe at the new Raz.  He could not know we just
discussed motors 2 or 3 weeks ago, and he certainly is not the first new
person to ask a question we have already answered and documented.

You know the new Raz doesn't know that we have agreed (over my objections)
to discuss politics on this list, and that every comment I have made has
been within the bounds of our agreement.  Your repeated flaming of
individuals is out of bounds.

Bill Effros

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: ed kroposki 
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Raz's Motor by Bill

Bill:

I cannot believe that after all the political trash that you have posted,
you are the one to complain about a legit question.  You above all people
should be forthcoming with a full discussion about an area of your real
expertise.  One place you can make a positive contributions and you shirk?
All you have to do is go back and copy applicable sections of your previous
emails about motors.  Get right and help the guy!

Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 6:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Razf from Single Axle Triad to a Zero AxleTriad

Oh, Boy.

Will someone talk to the new raz back-channel about motors?

Bill Effros

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Razgaitis Richard 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Razf from Single Axle Triad to a Zero AxleTriad

Bypass Wreckers was the 'I'll scoop it up' guy (there is a whole family 
that works there and everyone's name starts with "J").  But then I had 
Coastal Wreckers truck the whole shebang from Rocky Mount to Rock Hall, 
from a rock to a hard place so to speak.  Don't know what it is about 
NC wreckers but they only take cash.  So the trailer now sits  at the 
marina in Rock Hall.  I have decided not to fix it.

The light I saw was the sparks coming from the longitudinal frame of 
the trailer dragging on I-95, b/c by the time I noticed anything that 
wheel had long gone.

When I bought the boat and trailer in  April the then owner was honest 
about it needing some upgrading, so I spent a good bit doing just that, 
including new bearings, rims, and tires and pretty much everything 
else.

New question:  my old Honda 8 is not the easiest to start (and I am 
getting lazy).  Anyone have experience with the new 8's or 9.9's (same 
carcass I understand)?  With electric start?  Is the XL shaft (25 
inches) the better choice?

raz
Rocky Rhodes

On Oct 2, 2004, at 8:46 AM, ed kroposki wrote:

>
> Raz,
>
> The wrecker service that came, by any chance from Ralph's?
>
> BTW, if it was light you might have seen your wheel roll by.
>
> Is the boat still at the wrecker service?  As Paul Harvey says, the
> rest of story?
>
> Ed K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Razgaitis 
> Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:34 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to go from Single Axle Triad to a Zero
> AxleTriad
>
> By driving N on I-95 at 2 a.m. towing your trailer + rhodes, feeling a
> heavy, sudden jolt pulling back on your big SUV and looking out the
> passenger side mirror and seeing a light brighter than the center of
> the sun with the sparks of a thousand welders spraying everywhere.
> When I got (mostly) over to the shoulder and to a stop and ventured out
> into the night to see what was left, the entire, I mean entire, right
> side tire and rim was gone (Miami CSI wouldn't have found it), and only
> 35 degrees worth of my hub remained together with just two toasted stud
> bolts looking at me while crackling the surrounding air with heat
> vapors.  Near as I can tell, the hub or rim on that side just came
> apart and disappeared into the night sky and caused the trailer to fall
> down to the front-to-back rail on the right hand side and operated as a
> one-wheel and one-skid boat carrying device.  When I called AAA and
> tried to explain as carefully as I could my predicament, they called
> back to comfort me with the promise that someone was coming to fix my
> (non-existent) tire;  I tried to explain that there was no tire, no
> rim, and no hub.  And that I was thinking more on the lines of a
> Sikorsky not a tire-changer.  They later located a wrecker, who seemed
> to take it all in stride:  "let me come out there and see if I can
> scoop it up..." just like it was a dropping or something; but "scoop it
> up" is what he did.
>
> raz
> Rocky Rhodes
> Rock Hall MD
>
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