[Rhodes22-list] Style vs. Substance

[Bill Effros]

Brad,

As I remember it, both Stan and I argued against the war in the Fall of 2002.  I thought we had plenty of passion, although one can always criticize style.  I'm pretty sure a number of other people also argued against it at that time.  What was your position?

Are you saying the current mess is our fault because we didn't fight the current policy hard enough? 

Confused in Greenwich, 
Bill Effros

PS -- The Republicans have spent $100 million telling us how ineffective Kerry has been in the Senate for the past 20 years.  Now, suddenly, he is able to take on the "master of low expectations" owing to the skills he has honed in the "debate society"?

I think this election is going to be won on substance, not style, and I think that is very good for this country no matter who wins.  At the end of the day I think we will all believe that the policies of our leaders reflect the policy choices of the electorate. 

I must confess some more confusion about the position you seem to be taking which is that you are going to vote for Bush even though you don't think his policy reflects your position.  Are you trying to win some drinking bet at the expense of what you know to be the best interests of your country?

B.
                               
      


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: brad haslett 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - chiaroscuro


Dear G,

Please give me a link to your Fouad Ajami reference if
you have it.  I have read his article in the Jan/Feb
2003 Foreign Affairs magazine and a few others but
nothing recent.  

We agree on this, the ultimate fate of Iraq belongs to
the Iraq's.  Regardless of how one feels about the
justifications for the current occupation of Iraq, we
are there and to pull out now or announce a date
specific pull out would only encourage the insurgents
to wait us out, just as in Vietnam.  There is no
shortage of current literature critical of the
occupation including a lengthy article by James
Fallows in this months Atlantic Monthly.  In fact, if
you read the transcript of Kerry's Iraq positions
during the debate, you will notice Kerry neatly
mirrows Fallows, which more than one blogger in
cyberspace has noticed as well.

So, our choice is between one leader who doggedly
remains on course,  versus another who follows the
latest read of yesterdays "game tape"  I personally
would feel more confident of a critic if he had made
an impassioned plea against the war in advance.  

Kerry won the debate on style, expected when you
consider his 20 years of practice in the debate
society we call the Senate.  For those opposed to our
current engagement it is indeed unfortunate that this
style and passion was missing in the Fall of 2002.

We ARE all wearing the blue dress now, though I prefer
that it be a red one on November 2.

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"
--- Grayson/Ena Lynn <agl2001 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Phyllis wrote:
> 
> > I respect a person who can think through, analyze
> a situation, and when
> > presented with corrective information, i.e. the
> intelligence was wrong...
> then
> > formulates a new position and advocate it.
> 
> > That is leadership to me, not someone who is so
> dogmatic, one-sighted and
> > unwilling to do anything differently than follow
> the misguided pals around
> > him...
> 
> Spot on!
> 
> Add to that Fouad Ajami's observation that Bush
> cannot win the war, Kerry
> cannot win the war, UBL cannot win the war, America
> cannot win the war.
> Only Iraqis can win the war.
> 
> Case closed.
> 
> The true flip-flop, or bi-stable latch circuit, was
> invented by Eccles and
> Jordan in 1919 and became the fundamental building
> block of the computer
> world.  Without the flip-flop and it's cousins AND,
> OR and NOT, "digital"
> would not exist, cell phones would not work, and
> rock music synthesizers
> would be silent (a silver lining to every cloud).
> 
>
http://pt.withy.org/ptalk/archives/thought_for_the_day/
> 
> Like the bumper sticker said, we're all wearing the
> blue dress now.
> 
> <G>
> 
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