[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed, Prophet of Doom

Wed Oct 13 15:50:00 EDT 2004

Wally,

The implication of your logic is that had we thrown
more men and equipment into Afghanistan we would have
been more successful.  We did pretty well except for
not getting THE one guy.  The Soviets spent ten years
there with massive amounts of troops and hardware and
couldn't prevail.  What we accomplished there in a
short time period  is nothing less than awesome
compared to the Soviets.  Could we have used more
intel? Yes. But intel in that region comes from the
local warlords, not our own people save for satellites
and drones.  Suggesting that we somehow dropped the
ball on Bin Laden makes for good political rhetoric
but from a military perspective, it's simply not
feasable to surround every mountain along the
Afgahnistan/Pakistan border.

We could have really used the 4th ID in Northern Iraq.
 The Turks didn't co-operate and the logistics didn't
allow them in Kuwait because the docks were already
backed up. Military historians will debate the impact
of that for a hundred years.  It hurt.

Justification of the war will have to wait until
tomorrow.  I've been "dozing for dollars" this
afternoon, otherwise known as airport standby, and
just got alerted for a departure to Orlando.  See you
tomorrwow.

Brad

--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> What is bull shit???? You don't think attacking Iraq
> reduced our focus and 
> capabilities in Afghanistan? Come on Brad get real!
> As well read as you are 
> I would thing you would realize that fighting 2 wars
> (multiple fronts) 
> creates problems. If the take over of Iraq was as
> quick and easy as Bush 
> expected you might be right. However we under
> estimated the difficulty in 
> completing our mission. We screwed this up big time!
> 
> Sanctions were working. Yes it is true that the oil
> for food program was a 
> disaster. As you pointed out Iraq discontinued their
> WMD programs because of 
> the sanctions. Now what they may or may not have
> down when the sanctions 
> ended is just speculation.
> 
> I will tell you what is bull shit; attacking Iraq
> because of WMD and 911. 
> You can choose to ignore the facts and buy into the
> line of BS handed down 
> from Bush and Cheney. And you expect me to believe
> that even though we were 
> sold a bill of goods from Bush the war is justified?
> You have got to be 
> kidding!!!!
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
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> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Politics:  Muhammed,
> Prophet of Doom
> >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:00:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >We agree on this, there is plenty to be nervious
> >about.  I disagree with you about sanctions
> working.
> >They were working for the French, Germans,
> Russians,
> >and Chinese, but especially the French.  The
> >oil-for-food program was working quite well for
> >Saddam, he continued to build palaces and buy arms.
> It
> >didn't stop him from continuing to support
> terrorists
> >by paying money to families of Palistiniens who
> killed
> >Jews.  The Duelfer report clearly shows Saddam
> hadn't
> >given up on WMD, he was just waiting for sanctions
> to
> >end.  Saddam's nuclear bomb builder said in the  NY
> >Times they could re-start the nuclear program in
> "the
> >snap of a finger".  WMD is a political problem for
> >Bush because that's how he sold the war, it doesn't
> >mean the war wasn't justified.
> >
> >This business that everyone talks about of not
> >concentrating on Bin Laden is Bullshit!  Let me put
> >that in more family friendly terms, unadulterated
> pure
> >Bullshit!  Bin Laden most likely was at Bora Bora.
> >The Afghans kicked the Soviets ass there.  They had
> >the terrain, the tunnels, the escape routes, and
> the
> >experience. We threw thousands of air sorties
> against
> >them.  More boots on the ground would have meant
> more
> >dead American soldiers, not a more effective force.
> >Some of the local militia leaders turned out to be
> not
> >trustworthy.  But, to think that we could have
> thrown
> >more 20 year-olds at the situation and made a
> >difference is military foolishness.  It ignores
> >history, terrain, and reality.  We'll get Bin Laden
> >but that won't be the end of the problem.  This
> fight
> >will last for years.
> >
> >Unless of course you believe that terriorism is
> just a
> >nuisance, there is no quick solution.
> >
> >Brad Haslett
> >"CoraShen"
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >Anyone that can look at the world situation &
> not
> > > be really really nervous
> > > >just doesn't grasp the significance of what's
> going
> > > & how quickly the
> > > >situation could deteriorate.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree. The whole thing make me very nervous. I
> can
> > > see the current
> > > situation escalating and dragging on for years.
> This
> > > is one of the reasons I
> > > felt we should have waited a little longer to
> work
> > > through the problems in
> > > Iraq. As we learn more after the fall of Saddam
> it
> > > appears there were no
> > > WMD. It also appears that sanctions were
> working. We
> > > should have kept after
> > > Bin Laden. It seems fairly obvious that we made
> some
> > > serious blunders in
> > > this war.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
>
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