[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Reply to Wally on Mohammed, Prophet of Doom

[Wally Buck]

Ed,

I wish my original email was still in this thread. Your email leads me to 
believe you did not read it. I don't have a proposal other than what I said 
in my email Please reread for your answers. To clarify -

I clearly said the Oil for Food program was a disaster.

I clearly said that indications from Iraq would lead one to conclude that 
the WMDs were gone and that the sanctions were helping.

I clearly said we should have focused on Afghanastan. At the same time we 
should have continued in Iraq with sanctions. We could have used this time 
reviewing intelligence info, and trying to build support. Attacking 2 
countries was not a good military strategy. When you add the fact that the 
main reason for attacking was based on bad intelligence you have now created 
a first class cluster f***.

Yes you are correct; Iraq and other terrorists have not attacked us since we 
blew up Iraq. I don't remember Iraq attacking us before we attacked either. 
What about my post lead you to believe I didn't think we should use force 
against our enemies?  I was all for showing force in going after Bin Laden. 
We should have taken a harder look at our relationship with the Saudi's. You 
and others may not appreciate using common sense when developing a war 
strategy but some of us do.

Iraq is not 911. The real problem is we reacted out of fear and misguided 
revenge. We were worried about our oil. We don't understand these people and 
that scares the shit out of us. We can't let that cause us to make knee jerk 
reactions. We can't ignore military history, ancient cultures, and common 
sense as the current plan has.

So my plan for the mess we are now in? Obviously we have to make sure the 
elections take place. After that I suspect we will do everything we can to 
bring in outside support while trying to make sure that we control as much 
of the money as possible.

So as you say the situation will drag on for years.
Sigh .......

Wally


>From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Reply to Wally on  Mohammed,Prophet of 
>Doom
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:50:10 -0400
>
>
>Wally:
>(Anyone that can look at the world situation & not be really really nervous
>just doesn't grasp the significance of what's going & how quickly the
>situation could deteriorate.}
>  {I agree. The whole thing make me very nervous. I can
>  see the current situation escalating and dragging on for years.)
>
>Yes, the situation will drag on for years.  It is the same as there are
>still Communist in the world.
>
>However, the Islamist are busy defending their turf, not blowing up
>buildings in New York, Philadelphia or St. Petersburg, Fla.
>
>These people only understand force.  Discussions, negotiations, sanctions
>are a sign of weakness to the Islamist.  Weakness is a welcome mat for more
>violence.  You and others may not like or appreciate the show of force, but
>that is all that they respect.  The better something else advocated on this
>list simply will not work with Islamist.  To quote Bill Effros, that is
>fact.
>They are not willing to accept reason or compromise.  How are they 
>different
>from 'Christians' who shoot doctors in abortion clinics?  Do those
>'Christians' accept reason?  The problem is that there are 'people', so
>rigid in their thought processes that they will not consider others might
>have a reasonable other view.  Now a good psychiatrist might over years be
>able to help them learn to reason, but in the meantime these Islamist are
>set on killing all non believers.  What is your proposal to manage these
>killers.
>
>You said the sanctions were working.  Are you really saying that there was
>no corruption in the food for oil program????
>
>Ed K
>
>
>
>
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