[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed, Prophet of Doom

Thu Oct 14 10:14:27 EDT 2004

Wally,

"The president and his gang baited the hook and you 
swallowed it hook line and sinker."

No argument!

Brad

--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
> 
> My "rush" refers to moving to quickly from
> Afghanstan to attacking Iraq. My 
> use of the word rush also applies to our panic
> driven reaction to 911. We 
> rushed from Afghanstan into Iraq. It is not a
> campaign theme, it is reality. 
> I don't need further careful analysis, the facts are
> quite clear. You can 
> provide all of the links, quotes, recomend books but
> the facts don't change.
> 
> I have no idea how your post address mine? Viet Nam
> is not an election issue 
> with me. It is obvious we didn't learn any lessons
> from that mess. I my view 
> you have lost perspective on this war. You seem to
> be saying that any ends 
> justify any means. The president and his gang baited
> the hook and you 
> swallowed it hook line and sinker.
> 
> Wally
> 
> >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed,
> Prophet of Doom
> >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >Forgive me for borrowing a joke from the Wall
> Street
> >Journal but here goes:
> >
> >Have you heard the one about the turtle that got
> >mugged by a gang of snails? The police arrived on
> the
> >scene and asked the turtle what happened. "I don't
> >know," he replied. "It all happened so fast."
> >
> >The "Rush to War" is a campaign slogan, not a
> >thoughtful analysis of our engagement in Iraq.  The
> >official position of the US Government was that
> Saddam
> >needed to be overthrown.  Bush 41 promulgated that
> in
> >1991 but didn't do anything about it.  Clinton made
> it
> >his official policy in 1998 with support from
> people
> >like John Kerry.  Except for four days of missle
> >strikes in 98', he did nothing.  Bush 43 spent six
> >months making his case to the public, Congress, and
> >the UN. Thirteen years of policy formulation is
> hardly
> >a "rush".
> >
> >We are making progress in Iraq but the real success
> >will depend on the Iraqi's themselves.  John Kerry
> is
> >smoking crack if he thinks the French or anyone
> else
> >is going to come to their aid.  The French have
> >already said no (suprise).  Kerry was wrong about
> >Vietnam.  He testified to the Senate in 1972 that
> >about 3000 Vietnamese would be killed if we pulled
> >out.  He was off the mark by in excess of a
> million.
> >
> >You don't like war, I don't like war, but debating
> >this "Rush to War" is becoming like debating
> someones
> >bumper sticker.
> >
> >Brad Haslett
> >"CoraShen"
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > The implication of my logic is we should have
> taken
> > > more TIME in
> > > Afghanastan. I am not sure if we needed more
> troops
> > > or not. We should have
> > > worked harder going after Bin Laden while
> rebuilding
> > > . We could have
> > > developed the intelligence. We rushed into Iraq.
> > > That is my point. We could
> > > have blown Iraq up when ever we wanted. It was a
> bad
> > > plan. We rushed in
> > > based on bad intel. This is a fact.
> > >
> > > Time would have also allowed us to work with the
> > > Turks and other countries.
> > > What if we waited a year? Who knows what further
> > > diplomacy would have lead
> > > to. If we had a success story in Afghanastan I
> > > really believe this would
> > > have helped. If diplomacy didn't work we could
> blow
> > > them up without a plan
> > > any time we wanted.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Muhammed,
> > > Prophet of Doom
> > > >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >
> > > >The implication of your logic is that had we
> thrown
> > > >more men and equipment into Afghanistan we
> would
> > > have
> > > >been more successful.  We did pretty well
> except
> > > for
> > > >not getting THE one guy.  The Soviets spent ten
> > > years
> > > >there with massive amounts of troops and
> hardware
> > > and
> > > >couldn't prevail.  What we accomplished there
> in a
> > > >short time period  is nothing less than awesome
> > > >compared to the Soviets.  Could we have used
> more
> > > >intel? Yes. But intel in that region comes from
> the
> > > >local warlords, not our own people save for
> > > satellites
> > > >and drones.  Suggesting that we somehow dropped
> the
> > > >ball on Bin Laden makes for good political
> rhetoric
> > > >but from a military perspective, it's simply
> not
> > > >feasable to surround every mountain along the
> > > >Afgahnistan/Pakistan border.
> > > >
> > > >We could have really used the 4th ID in
> Northern
> > > Iraq.
> > > >  The Turks didn't co-operate and the logistics
> > > didn't
> > > >allow them in Kuwait because the docks were
> already
> > > >backed up. Military historians will debate the
> > > impact
> > > >of that for a hundred years.  It hurt.
> > > >
> > > >Justification of the war will have to wait
> until
> > > >tomorrow.  I've been "dozing for dollars" this
> > > >afternoon, otherwise known as airport standby,
> and
> > > >just got alerted for a departure to Orlando. 
> See
> > > you
> > > >tomorrwow.
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Brad,
> > > > >
> > > > > What is bull shit???? You don't think
> attacking
> > > Iraq
> > > > > reduced our focus and
> > > > > capabilities in Afghanistan? Come on Brad
> get
> > > real!
> > > > > As well read as you are
> > > > > I would thing you would realize that
> fighting 2
> > > wars
> > > > > (multiple fronts)
> > > > > creates problems. If the take over of Iraq
> was
> > > as
> > > > > quick and easy as Bush
> 
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