[Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette

Fri Oct 15 16:21:30 EDT 2004

Bob,

This just came up last night in discussion w/ friends at our marina in
Deltaville over a few drinks. The general consensus was "if you use the
other guy's line, you open yourself up for the possibility of a salvage
claim of up to 12.5% of the value of the boat and it's cargo". No one had
any references w/ which to back this up, but all seemed to agree that, if
the other guy tosses you a line, you should let it fall in the water and
toss him your line if you need a tow. 

Mark Kaynor

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Weber
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette

I was once told that a "rescuer" can claim salvage to your boat if he throws
you a line and you attach it to your boat.  I was told if that happens to
let the line go in the water then you throw him a line instead.  Is that an
old wives tale or high seas law?

Bob

>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:47:24 -0400
>
>As MJM says it depends on conditions. Your boat must be in "peril". The 
>person towing may be entitled to compensation but usually it is less 
>than the boat. There are many gray areas.
>
>Wally
>
>>From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette
>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:06:13 -0400
>>
>>The way I heard it: you use your own anchor rode, what way you get the 
>>work of putting back together and it the difference between giving a 
>>tow and providing the equipment to give a tow(higher salvage claim), A 
>>yatchman should never claim salvage for a tow(that etiquette), but the 
>>commercial (sea tow, boat us, fisherman sometimes, etc.. will charge) 
>>and you are best off agreeing to a price before hand otherwise is is a 
>>salvage claim. All this is tempered by conditions and distance. 20 
>>minutes to a dock on a sunny day vs 20 miles offshore in a storm, hard 
>>grounding all bets are off(i.e salvage), same goes for taking on 
>>water. BTW beware of power boats giving a tow, they go to fast sometimes.
>>
>>My favorite: the captain is respectable for everything on the boat. no 
>>one else. i.e. the helmsman hits a buoy in broad daylight, 5000$ of 
>>damage the captain pays, the captain was sleeping in the cabin, still 
>>his fault, try to blame the crew or anyone else, wrong still his 
>>faults, tries to give the bill to anyone, big time wrong, the boat is 
>>holed by the bouy(salvage that the captain pays), boat is a totaled 
>>loose, the captain lost. Bad charts, his fault, part breaks, still his 
>>fault. crew does not follow orders, his fault. Boat yard screewed up, 
>>still the captin. Get hit by another boat, even following the 
>>rules(i.e standon), still will be blamed for "poor seamanship". 
>>Something happen dock/anchor/mooring while the captin is 100 miles 
>>away, still his fault, should have been "maned". No water on board,
salvage.
>>
>>It ok to jump on another boat at the dock to fend off and save it from 
>>a "docking challenged captain".
>>
>>If something break, is damaged, tell the captin, do not "hide" it. If 
>>someone causes damage to your boat, let is slide or file with your 
>>insurance(the Jay Paul Getty thing). get sick, spill something, 
>>overflow the head, clean it up.
>>
>>MJM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bob Weber wrote:
>>
>>>Slim, I am looking for correct behavior either legal or polite. Most 
>>>of the high seas laws were nothing more than common sense etiquette 
>>>at one time until someone lacking commonsense or etiquette caused a 
>>>stink by not abiding. The fact that I have to teach the good 
>>>semaritan 'Law" in class is an example of this. Bob
>>>
>>>>From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette
>>>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:13:10 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Bob,
>>>>
>>>>Are you looking for etiquette or law? Two different things, aren't they?
>>>>This one seems like a legal issue whereas helping a stranger land 
>>>>his boat is etiquette. What about finding an unattended vessel at 
>>>>sea? Finders keepers? But again--that's law, no?
>>>>
>>>>Slim
>>>>
>>>>On 10/13/04 1:46 PM, "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I thought of another one having to do with the High Seas Salvage
>>>>rules but
>>>> > forget how it goes. When getting assistance from another vessel - 
>>>> > who
>>>>has
>>>> > to throw a line to whom so as not to lose your boat to the 
>>>> > rescuer on
>>>>a
>>>> > technicality? anyone? Bueler.
>>>> >
>>>> > BW
>>>> >
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