[Rhodes22-list] Re: Politics - Where do we draw the line?

Thu Oct 21 12:02:20 EDT 2004

Brad,
        Thanks for the reply, I am relieved to see that we both respect the
constitution.  I assure you, since I know one the ladies personally, that
what happened was as I described it to you.  No exaggeration or hyperbolae.
And I share you indignation at the behavior of the protesters in Portland.
That too is a violation of free speech.  The disturbing part of the T-shirt
incident is that it was perpetrated under the aegis of an organization that
officially "represents" the President.  It might have been a "private
affair" but I thought that he was the President of us all and those state
troopers and county workers weren't being paid by private funds.  You may
know better than I, but I don't recall loyalty  oaths being required to
attend most political rallies of any other president or presidential
candidate.  How do you feel about this requirement, are you comfortable with
the concept?

Thanks,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Politics - Where do we draw the line?


>Chris,
>
>"Please explalin how "protect out civil rights" is
>obsene.  Focus on answering that one question if you
>please."
>
>Thank you, I'll focus because I'm between trips and
>have little time for unfocussed activity.  There is
>nothing obscene about "Protect Our Civil Rights" and
>IF a Republican operative said it, they were foolish.
>I suspect your friends were searching for their
>fifteen minutes of fame with some harmless
>mischievousness (they weren't there because they were
>die-hard Bush fans).  The locals should have
>lightned-up.  One minor incident is hardly a party
>platform.  I was asked to leave a bar in Harvard
>Square last year because the bartender asked my view
>on an issue and then got pissed with my answer.  That
>doesn't mean all bars in Boston are ultra-liberal.
>Well, maybe they are!
>
>Brad Haslett
>"CoraShen"
>
>
>--- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey Brad,
>>  what do you mean that Medford is worse than
>> Portland?  You know nothing of
>> Medford!  Jackson county and Medford have always
>> gone Republican for the
>> last 20 years!  Where as Portland goes Democratic.
>> (hey I guess you are
>> right, it is worse).  I am not addressing the
>> incident in Portland I am
>> talking about the attitude of the Republicans at the
>> rally and how they
>> percieve the concept of "protect our civil rights"
>> nothing  more.  Please
>> explalin how "protect out civil rights" is obsene.
>> Focus on answering that
>> one question if you please.
>>
>> Chris G
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Politics - Where do
>> we draw the line?
>>
>>
>> >The rest of the story:
>> >
>> >On August 22, 2002 President Bush 43 was attending
>> a
>> >Republican fund raiser in Portland, OR and the
>> >Presidential motorcade was met by over 1500 radical
>> >left-wing protesters as it approached the Hilton
>> >Hotel.  The local police lost control of the crowd
>> and
>> >the streets surrounding the Hilton.  One of the
>> >vehichles near the "package" was hit with a rock
>> and
>> >several others were stopped by protesters.  The
>> Secret
>> >Service was furious with the local police for their
>> >lack of security.  Later, Republican donors
>> attempting
>> >to enter the Hilton were physically attacked by the
>> >protesters.  Ironically, the North American Gay
>> >Amateur Athletic Alliance (NAGAA) was holding a
>> >meeting at the hotel and several members of their
>> >members were attacked trying to enter as well.  Had
>> >these gays been attacked by a bunch of rabid
>> >right-wing radicals it would be front page news on
>> the
>> >NY Times and every other newspaper in the country.
>> It
>> >barely recieved any coverage.
>> >
>> >Frankly, I'm a bit suprised that Bush went to
>> Medford
>> >at all.   I love the city of Portland but it is
>> known
>> >as "Little Beruit", Medford is even worse.  Were I
>> on
>> >Bush's security detail I'd advise against going
>> there
>> >at all.  You'll notice the school teachers did not
>> >sign their loyalty oaths, they in fact lied to get
>> in
>> >a private affair.  That alone is reason enough for
>> >being escorted off the property at a private event.
>> >Ever try "crashing" a wedding party? This fact
>> seems
>> >to have "escaped" the local press covering the
>> event.
>> >This event may be a bad PR day for the local
>> >Republicans but is hardly a "Brownshirt" incident.
>> >1500 protesters attacking the Presidential
>> motorcade,
>> >attacking innocent hotel guests, even the gay ones
>> -
>> >now there's your "Brownshirts".
>> >
>> >BTW - Grayson, Rohm was killed at a resort on the
>> >Tegernsee.  I've been there.  Its a beautiful place
>> >now that we kicked the Nazi's out.
>> >
>> >Brad Haslett
>> >"CoraShen"
>> >
>> >Grayson/Ena Lynn <agl2001 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> (clip below)
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
>> >> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22
>> mail
>> >> list"
>> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:48 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Re: Politics
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Stan,
>> >> >
>> >> > I've been keeping my head down but I've got to
>> >> relate an incident that
>> >> > occurred here in Medford a few days ago.  The
>> >> President visited and there
>> >> > was a large turnout at the fairgrounds.  Three
>> of
>> >> my fellow teachers,
>> >> ladies
>> >> > all (in all ways) went to the speech with their
>> >> tickets and were admitted.
>> >> > (the loyalty oath had been signed by another
>> >> person and the tickets were
>> >> > given to these teachers) (I suspect Ashcroft is
>> >> instituting an
>> >> investigation
>> >> > as we speak).  Then the threat was detected by
>> the
>> >> "security" provided by
>> >> > the republican party and the teachers were
>> >> threatened with arrest for
>> >> > wearing an (and I quote from first hand
>> sources)
>> >> an obscene slogan on the
>> >> > t-shirts.  More security guards and secrete
>> >> service were called and the
>> >> > teachers were " emphatically" escorted out:
>> they
>> >> were told they would be
>> >> > arrested if they tried to enter the "private
>> >> affair"again.  The obscene
>> >> > slogan on their t-shirt?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Protect our Civil Rights"  and nothing more.
>> >>
>>
>>======================================================
>> >>
>> >> Sturmabteilung
>> >> >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
>> >> This article focuses on the stormtroopers of Nazi
>> >> Germany. For other types
>> >> of stormtrooper, see Stormtrooper.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>> -
>> >> ----
>> >>
>> >> The Sturmabteilung (SA, German for "Assault Unit"
>> >> and is usually translated
>> >> as stormtroops or stormtroopers) functioned as a
>> >> paramilitary organisation
>> >> of the NSDAP - the German Nazi party. It played a
>> >> key role in Adolf Hitler's
>> >> rise to power in the 1930s. SA men were often
>> known
>> >> as brownshirts from the
>> >> colour of their uniform and to distinguish them
>> from
>> >> the SS who were known
>> >> as blackshirts.
>> >>
>> >> History
>> >>
>> >> The term Sturmabteilung originally came from the
>> >> specialized assault troops
>> >> used by Germany in 1918 in World War I utilising
>> >> Hutier tactics. Instead of
>> >> a large mass assault, the Sturmabteilung were
>> >> organized into small teams of
>> >> a few soldiers each. First applied during the
>> Battle
>> >> of Cambrai the wider
>> >> use in March 1918 allowed the Germans to push
>> back
>> >> British and French lines
>> >> tens of kilometers.
>> >>
>> >> In Munich, in the fall of 1920, Hitler himself
>> >> created the Ordnertruppen; a
>> >> body of muscular Nazis, ex-soldiers, and beer
>> hall
>> >> brawlers in order to
>> >> protect his speeches and disrupt his opponents.
>> It
>> >> originally functioned as
>> >> a group of bodyguards to enforce order at Nazi
>> >> gatherings. It was shortly
>> >> changed to Sportabteilung, a cover name meaning
>> >> "Sports section" and came to
>> >> be known by the initials SA. In late 1921, the
>> name
>> >> was changed to the
>> >> current name Sturmabteilung. Under their popular
>> >> leader, Ernst Röhm, the SA
>> >> grew in importance within the Nazi power
>> structure,
>> >> eventually claiming
>>
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