[Rhodes22-list] Swing States

Fri Oct 29 23:20:17 EDT 2004

he right, my town gets back 2 cents for every dollar sent to the state and 75% of the town budget is the school system, Federal has 
very little roll in k-12, I know is sounds better to beat up bush, like arguring with a bunch of drunks, latch on to any issue.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing States

> It doesn't matter if your state is cutting funds, that's not Bush's
> fault. The FACT is that the federal government has increased funding.
>
> Careful preaching too much about what teachers have to do, or don't
> have to do, I work for a school district for a living, I see typical
> beauracratic waste daily.
>
> But, I'll repeat my question, who is taking money away? If it's your
> state, don't blame Bush.
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
>  1976 O'Day 25
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
>  1971 Coronado 35
>
>
>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/2004 3:55:56 PM >>>
> Herb,
> I can only speak for Minnesota.  The Republicans have done nothing but
> cut
> ed funds every year they had the chance.  Or dems have tried to boost
> it but
> got vetoed by former Republican or Independent (Jesse Ventura)
> Governors.
> Nobody is getting more.  Everybody is getting less.  Almost every
> district
> in the state is cutting.  The Minneapolis district alone is closing at
> least
> a dozen schools.  I hear Bush saying he's increased ed funds but we
> just
> don't see it at the classroom level.  That money goes mostly for new
> testing
> with the NCLB Act but falls short of actually paying for it.  This
> means the
> work load for teachers has increased but the money's not there to cover
> it.
> That translates to less time the teachers have to actually teach.  Or
> rather, they have to spend a lot more time teaching how to take tests.
> Slim
>
> On 10/29/04 3:20 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>> What money did anyone take away?
>>
>> Herb Parsons
>>
>> S/V O'Jure
>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>
>> S/V Reve de Papa
>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>
>>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/04 3:15 PM >>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You're right that throwing money at it might not necessarily fix it,
> but
>> taking money away definitely won't fix it.
>>
>> Maybe I am an example of a failed system.  I'm nothing but a rock
> and
>> roll
>> yahoo who makes it on his own--not some government employee who
> wastes
>> the
>> taxpayers dollars sitting around the office emailing his friends.
> Can
>> you
>> say "Pork"?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 10/29/04 2:35 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim
>>> If teacher did ther job, this country would not have
>>> the education mess you all are talking about.
>>> Throwing money at a problem does nothing to fix the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Take a liberal such as yourself; will you ever learn
>>> anything, could a teacher teach you anything?  You are
>>> a prime example of the fail education system.  You
>>> make a great example!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> What? Not that busy?  I don't know what teachers are
>>>> doing down there in
>>>> Arkansas, but when I was teaching, most of my work
>>>> weeks were 50-60 hours.
>>>> It looks like you're the one who is not that busy.
>>>> Aren't you supposed to
>>>> be analyzing something for our government today?
>>>> You're loafing around on
>>>> your computer on someone else's dime.  Quit
>>>> lollygagging at your email and
>>>> get back to work and pay your taxes so all them po
>>>> chillen down there will
>>>> have a nice school to go to!
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/04 2:09 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>> Come on, The teacher are not that busy.  They
>>>> don't
>>>>> even work a full day anymore.  Testing is part of
>>>>> thier job.  If they were doing thier job; there
>>>> would
>>>>> not had been a need in the No Child Left Behind
>>>> law.
>>>>> The reason this country had to pass an
>>>> accountability
>>>>> law was to let the school system know that if you
>>>>> don't start teaching the kids; you will lose you
>>>>> school.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until teacher go back to
>>>>>>> teaching; this country will have an education
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, Right - the teachers are so busy with
>>>> testing
>>>>>> they don't have time to
>>>>>> teach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its the
>>>>>>> teachers that need to go to work.  That is what
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> fix the education problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong - the teachers are hard at work.  If you
>>>> don't
>>>>>> believe that, try
>>>>>> walking a mile in those shoes.  It's the parents
>>>>>> that need to go to work.
>>>>>> Research studies have clearly shown that students
>>>>>> who's parents value the
>>>>>> education of their kids enough to nurture it
>>>> succeed
>>>>>> even with
>>>>>> less-than-stellar teachers.  Conversely, students
>>>>>> who's parents don't care
>>>>>> enough to even feed their kid breakfast in the
>>>>>> morning are going to have
>>>>>> many problems even with the very best teachers a
>>>>>> pittance can buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks Steve, but since I do not use drugs I am
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> tuned into this bill -
>>>>>>>> but Elton studied it and he says it is a
>>>> disaster
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we have all come to the conclusion re the
>>>> dumbing
>>>>>>>> down of America.  99% of
>>>>>>>> the youngsters I interview for jobs do not know
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> many 1/8ths of an inch
>>>>>>>> are in an inch.  My understanding is that the
>>>>>>>> problem with the bipartisan
>>>>>>>> education efforts is that the promised funding
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not there (understandably
>>>>>>>> with war and tax cuts) to back up the paper
>>>>>>>> promises.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stan/gbi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22
>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>> list"
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing States
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>>>> Bush gave the liberal a Prescription Drug
>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the Democrats had been promissing you all for
>>>>>>>>> generations.
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> What more can you ask for.  He has already did
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> for the Democrats than the democrats have done
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>> years.  He let Kennedy write the education
>>>> bill
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> remember right.
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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