[Rhodes22-list] Swing States
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Oct 30 08:45:44 EDT 2004
Can't speak for your state, but in Texas, funding for schools is done
largely by local property taxes. Tax rates for each independent school
district are set by the local school board. The local school board are,
in most school districts, required to be non-party. Sorry you're so
unhappy with the system in your state.
>From the "past tense" way you speak of working in the schools, it
sounds as if your experience pre-dated NCLB, so I'm not quite sure where
the vitriol against "republicans" comes from. Just my opinion, but it
looks to me as if it's just one more opportunity to rale against those
nasty Republicans.
If I WERE the janitor or the lunch lady, would that make me any less
able to observe what was going on around me?
Herb Parsons
S/V O'Jure
1976 O'Day 25
S/V Reve de Papa
1971 Coronado 35
>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/30/2004 4:54:28 AM >>>
Herb,
I did indeed answer your question. It's the Republicans that take away
the
money--be they state or federal. If you work for a school district
and
don't know how the NCLB Act is an under funded mandate, then my next
question is, are you the janitor? The lunch lady? OK, sorry, that's
a
cheap shot, but otherwise I find it pretty hard to understand how
anyone
cannot know how the Republicans have screwed the public schools with
funding
cuts and, ummm... union-bashing. But I digress.
Don't blame Bush? Who's in charge? Exactly where does the buck stop?
This
"fact" that Bush has increased funding for education is a smokescreen.
Besides being too little--too late, besides being nothing but the next
political gimmick to save our schools, it's a slap in the face to
teachers
because it piles on extra pointless work but doesn't pay for it and
will
never achieve any meaningful results. To say nothing of the fact that
ALL
children CANNOT succeed. No Child Left Behind--my ass! Forget about
it!
The whole concept is completely bogus.
I don't know where you work but I've worked in urban schools where you
can
just hear the sucking sound of failing students ready to drop out as
soon as
they're sixteen. And I'm in Minnesota--one of the top states in
student
achievement. But then Republicans have the gaul to blame teachers for
the
failures of the students and their parents. They won't blame the
parents
because the parents are voters! It's too easy to lay blame elsewhere:
teachers. They're easy targets.
Aside: Of course there's bureaucratic waste. Ex: The first thing that
St.
Paul superintendent, Patricia Harvey (R) did when she took office was
to add
twelve--count 'em--twelve administrative assistant positions. Funded
by
NCLB? No, their salaries come out of general ed.
Question: Do you think that the best way to educate our children--the
future
leaders of the world--is to cut?
Slim
On 10/29/04 9:01 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> It doesn't matter if your state is cutting funds, that's not Bush's
> fault. The FACT is that the federal government has increased
funding.
>
> Careful preaching too much about what teachers have to do, or don't
> have to do, I work for a school district for a living, I see typical
> beauracratic waste daily.
>
> But, I'll repeat my question, who is taking money away? If it's your
> state, don't blame Bush.
>
> Herb Parsons
>
> S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
>
> S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
>
>
>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/2004 3:55:56 PM >>>
> Herb,
> I can only speak for Minnesota. The Republicans have done nothing
but
> cut
> ed funds every year they had the chance. Or dems have tried to
boost
> it but
> got vetoed by former Republican or Independent (Jesse Ventura)
> Governors.
> Nobody is getting more. Everybody is getting less. Almost every
> district
> in the state is cutting. The Minneapolis district alone is closing
at
> least
> a dozen schools. I hear Bush saying he's increased ed funds but we
> just
> don't see it at the classroom level. That money goes mostly for new
> testing
> with the NCLB Act but falls short of actually paying for it. This
> means the
> work load for teachers has increased but the money's not there to
cover
> it.
> That translates to less time the teachers have to actually teach.
Or
> rather, they have to spend a lot more time teaching how to take
tests.
> Slim
>
> On 10/29/04 3:20 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>> What money did anyone take away?
>>
>> Herb Parsons
>>
>> S/V O'Jure
>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>
>> S/V Reve de Papa
>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>
>>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 10/29/04 3:15 PM >>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You're right that throwing money at it might not necessarily fix
it,
> but
>> taking money away definitely won't fix it.
>>
>> Maybe I am an example of a failed system. I'm nothing but a rock
> and
>> roll
>> yahoo who makes it on his own--not some government employee who
> wastes
>> the
>> taxpayers dollars sitting around the office emailing his friends.
> Can
>> you
>> say "Pork"?
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 10/29/04 2:35 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim
>>> If teacher did ther job, this country would not have
>>> the education mess you all are talking about.
>>> Throwing money at a problem does nothing to fix the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Take a liberal such as yourself; will you ever learn
>>> anything, could a teacher teach you anything? You are
>>> a prime example of the fail education system. You
>>> make a great example!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> What? Not that busy? I don't know what teachers are
>>>> doing down there in
>>>> Arkansas, but when I was teaching, most of my work
>>>> weeks were 50-60 hours.
>>>> It looks like you're the one who is not that busy.
>>>> Aren't you supposed to
>>>> be analyzing something for our government today?
>>>> You're loafing around on
>>>> your computer on someone else's dime. Quit
>>>> lollygagging at your email and
>>>> get back to work and pay your taxes so all them po
>>>> chillen down there will
>>>> have a nice school to go to!
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/04 2:09 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>> Come on, The teacher are not that busy. They
>>>> don't
>>>>> even work a full day anymore. Testing is part of
>>>>> thier job. If they were doing thier job; there
>>>> would
>>>>> not had been a need in the No Child Left Behind
>>>> law.
>>>>> The reason this country had to pass an
>>>> accountability
>>>>> law was to let the school system know that if you
>>>>> don't start teaching the kids; you will lose you
>>>>> school.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until teacher go back to
>>>>>>> teaching; this country will have an education
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, Right - the teachers are so busy with
>>>> testing
>>>>>> they don't have time to
>>>>>> teach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its the
>>>>>>> teachers that need to go to work. That is what
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> fix the education problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong - the teachers are hard at work. If you
>>>> don't
>>>>>> believe that, try
>>>>>> walking a mile in those shoes. It's the parents
>>>>>> that need to go to work.
>>>>>> Research studies have clearly shown that students
>>>>>> who's parents value the
>>>>>> education of their kids enough to nurture it
>>>> succeed
>>>>>> even with
>>>>>> less-than-stellar teachers. Conversely, students
>>>>>> who's parents don't care
>>>>>> enough to even feed their kid breakfast in the
>>>>>> morning are going to have
>>>>>> many problems even with the very best teachers a
>>>>>> pittance can buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks Steve, but since I do not use drugs I am
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> tuned into this bill -
>>>>>>>> but Elton studied it and he says it is a
>>>> disaster
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we have all come to the conclusion re the
>>>> dumbing
>>>>>>>> down of America. 99% of
>>>>>>>> the youngsters I interview for jobs do not know
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> many 1/8ths of an inch
>>>>>>>> are in an inch. My understanding is that the
>>>>>>>> problem with the bipartisan
>>>>>>>> education efforts is that the promised funding
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not there (understandably
>>>>>>>> with war and tax cuts) to back up the paper
>>>>>>>> promises.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stan/gbi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22
>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>> list"
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing States
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan
>>>>>>>>> Bush gave the liberal a Prescription Drug
>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the Democrats had been promissing you all for
>>>>>>>>> generations.
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> What more can you ask for. He has already did
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> for the Democrats than the democrats have done
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>> years. He let Kennedy write the education
>>>> bill
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> remember right.
>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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