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Thu Sep 9 16:36:32 EDT 2004

I'm sure you could find a group of veterans to denounce Bush too, but he
wasn't over there.

Actually, I don't care about Bush being missing in Alabama any more than I
do about Kerry's service record.  I don't think what these guys did 30 years
ago matters a lick.  I don't want to be judged by decisions I made in my
20s, and that was only 10 years ago!

I am certainly not knowledgeable about Kerry's career in the Senate.  But,
his constituents thought he was doing enough to keep electing him, so he
must have been doing a good job, in their eyes.

I think you've bought into the myth that Democrats want to be soft on
terrorists.  I don't think that holds water.  I voted for Bush the first
time around partially because I thought Clinton was spending too much time
policing other countries.  How would a Democratic president handle the
post-9/11 world?  None of us can really say.

Anyway, my main point was that asking veterans to defend their medals is a
bad precedent.  Really bad.  Think about it in the context of a WWII
veteran.  Doesn't it piss you off?

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
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Ben
Why are all those veterans saying that Kerry did not
earn them.  Also, not the swift boat but a whole new
group are having a get together this weekend to
denounce Kerry.  

Kerry has done nothing is his whole career as a
senator to help protect this country.  He spent more
time protesting the war than he did fighting in it. 
He have voted against every major weapons progran that
has made this country a superpower over the last 20
years.

Bottom line, the man cannot be trusted to defend this
country against terrorests or rouge nations.  And
please keep in mind, the terrorist hate democrats just
as much as republicans.  
Steve

--- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:

> C'mon Steve, surely we're not going to demand that
> veterans prove that they
> deserve the medals that they were issued -- even
> veterans who don't have the
> sense to stay out of politics.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 AM
> To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator See
> All
> 
> Stan
> All Kerry did in the war was film himself.  You have
> no proof that he earn even one of his medals.  There
> are more people saying he was a joke in the war than
> saying he did anything heroic.  
> 
> Kerry has voted against everything and every weapon
> system that protect this country.  Voted against
> funding the CIA.  There is apsolutly no common sence
> that were evern suggust that he has the brains
> necessary to run this country.  Again, he has voted
> against everything that give liberal democrates the
> freedom to be stupid, be on welfare and lazy.  YOu
> have the freedom to be that way thanks to our
> military.  Luckly, there our smarter people in
> Congress that did not side with Kerry which allows
> us
> to fund our military so that we can remain the sole
> Superpower.  Without this, democrats would lose
> welfare.  
> Steve
> --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> 
> > Point of Information::
> > 
> > When bills or resolutions, etc are up for votes in
> > congress, riders can be 
> > attached forcing a thinking lawmaker's desire to
> > vote one way on an issue, 
> > to be changed because he or she is not in favor of
> > the rider. So congress 
> > people do vote one way and then are forced to
> "flip
> > flop" on the same issue 
> > when it is effectively changed by the rider.  The
> > Republican side of the 
> > isle does it - even vp Cheney.  Not uncommon.
> > 
> > However, the Republicans are brilliant.  They know
> > everyone but the simple 
> > folk understand this so they make flip flop a
> > campaign theme.  Just like the 
> > war record issue were they know everyone but the
> > simple folks understand 
> > Bush bought his way out of harm's way while Kerry
> > faced the bullets and then 
> > decided the cause was a mistake and flipped
> flopped
> > over it, so they make 
> > use of the left behind group to make the two war
> > records a campaign issue. 
> > (not so sure they will get away  with it in this
> > instance - too obvious, 
> > even to the blindly faithful  - plus many
> > Republicans like John McCain, 
> > can't stomach it .)
> > 
> > I still think money, being the bottom line in our
> > society, makes betting the 
> > way for the List to handle problem members.  Let's
> > bet.
> > 
> > For instance we could bet on the sincerity of
> those
> > in favor this war. If 
> > they are willing to join a "Lincoln" like brigade
> to
> > fight terrorists in 
> > Iraq tomorrow, they win.  (The list could chip in
> > and pay their expenses 
> > from a standing pot)  If they lose they have to
> add
> > to the List's betting 
> > pot.
> > 
> > And we could bet on the factual "flip flop"
> charges
> > by having those like 
> > Bush and Steve, who accuse Kerry of this crime,
> vs.
> > those like myself who 
> > say that if you count Bush's campaign promises and
> > career remarks, he is the 
> > "flip flopper" winner, contribute to the pot -
> have
> > the pot pay for an 
> > independent accounting and the balance go to the
> > winner.   That would be the 
> > civilized way to go.
> > 
> > So my suggestion is not to impose censorship but
> to
> > refine the rules to:
> > 
> > If you have an opinion, it has to proceed with a
> > remark like, " in my humble 
> > opinion, you are an asshole".
> > 
> > and statements proclaimed as factual, be
> accompanied
> > by contributions to the 
> > betting pool,  like  " Kerry is the bigger flip
> > flopper and the facts will 
> > prove that so here is my contribution to the
> betting
> > pool"   And the paid 
> > factual team goes to work and the winner takes
> what
> > is left in the pool.  I 
> > bet the compilation of the verifiable facts could
> be
> > sold to the media or 
> > published and the List could eventually make a
> > fortune.  Bill will get us a 
> > publisher.and an advance.  Let's start betting and
> > put our money where our 
> > loose tongues are. .
> > 
> > An aside: Bush lost the election by a substantial
> > number of the popular 
> > vote.  I would not be so quick in ceding the
> > election to him this time. 
> > Those who understand and quiver (a cowards opinion
> > and so labeled) at where 
> > he is leading the country tend to be quieter than
> > those in favor.
> > 
> > Of course there are exceptions to those from the
> > left being "quieter". Wanna 
> > bet.
> > .
> > stan/gbi
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator
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> > All
> > 
> > 
> > > Wally,
> > > You see, Steve is an analyst for the government.
> 
> > Hope that clears things
> > > up.
> > > Slim
> > >
> > > 
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