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Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 10 11:28:30 EDT 2004 

It is fairly obvious you don't understand how medals are awarded. See 
Rummy's previous post.

Having a father that spent two tours in Viet Nam and served in the Navy for 
30 years; I can tell you that swift boats were about the most dangerous duty 
facing our Navy. If you weren't a Navy pilot, SEAL or on a swift boat you 
never made it close to enemy lines. He signed up for this duty. I don't 
fault Bush for serving in the National Guard but lets face it; he got in the 
National Guard due to family favors. Say what you want about Kerry but if 
you want to compare what happened way back then Kerry wins hands down.

Personally I don't think this should be the focus of this election. Many of 
the bills that Kerry voted against had layers of pork fat wrapped around 
them.  He was not against every weapon you mentioned. Each of these bills 
had other things attached to them. We have not had a Senator voted president 
in years. This is one of the primary reasons. One could also say that people 
that voted yes for every weapons bill voted yes on all of the waste that was 
included.

So lets move forward from the 60s to the 70s. Yes Kerry spoke out against 
Viet Nam. I thought the war was a tragic waste of human life and in the end 
a miserable failure. Kerry decided to serve his country further in politics. 
What did Bush do? Best I can tell he partied a bunch, snorted cocaine, and 
enjoyed the high life. Heck it sounds fun to me but not exactly a great 
track record for a future president.

So lets move forward to the 80s. Kerry continued to serve in politics while 
Bush ran more than one company into the ground. Daddy's connections came in 
handy again and he some how came out of it smelling like a rose. Didn't he 
also own a baseball team, let's face it the Rangers sucked but i guess I 
can't blame Bush for that. The point is he still did nothing in my eyes to 
prepare him for president.

The 90s brough Bush into the political ring. I didn't live in Texas but 
depending upon who you ask he either did a great job or he sucked.

There are at least two sides to every story. An astute voter will take the 
time to try to figure out the issues instead of just saying all liberals are 
cowards and that anyone against the war in Iraq is a liberal and by 
definition a coward. I realize the issues are complex and i don't expect all 
to be able to understand them.

Wally




>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator See All
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>No, it doesn't PO me. Kerry brought up the war as his
>one thing that he did that people should look to in
>his for why he should be President.  But there are
>more people disbuting his claims than that hand full
>that he carry around with him. Kerry only has a proven
>record of protesting a war; NOT fighting it.  Voting
>against every major weapon systems that protect your
>freedom & mine.  Voting aginst funding the CIA.
>Voting against funding our troops in time of War.
>Those are facts that cannot be disbuted.
>
>Bush record is one of moral leadership.  He has
>restored this country to one that American can be
>proud of.  He fare on his policies.  And even passed
>the biggest thing that Democrats have been promissing
>the people for decades, a precription drug benefit on
>Medicare.  These are facts.
>
>What has Kerry done to help this country? I will give
>you the answer; there nothing he can point to.  That's
>why he keep bring up Vietnam.
>Steve
>
>
>--- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm sure you could find a group of veterans to
> > denounce Bush too, but he
> > wasn't over there.
> >
> > Actually, I don't care about Bush being missing in
> > Alabama any more than I
> > do about Kerry's service record.  I don't think what
> > these guys did 30 years
> > ago matters a lick.  I don't want to be judged by
> > decisions I made in my
> > 20s, and that was only 10 years ago!
> >
> > I am certainly not knowledgeable about Kerry's
> > career in the Senate.  But,
> > his constituents thought he was doing enough to keep
> > electing him, so he
> > must have been doing a good job, in their eyes.
> >
> > I think you've bought into the myth that Democrats
> > want to be soft on
> > terrorists.  I don't think that holds water.  I
> > voted for Bush the first
> > time around partially because I thought Clinton was
> > spending too much time
> > policing other countries.  How would a Democratic
> > president handle the
> > post-9/11 world?  None of us can really say.
> >
> > Anyway, my main point was that asking veterans to
> > defend their medals is a
> > bad precedent.  Really bad.  Think about it in the
> > context of a WWII
> > veteran.  Doesn't it piss you off?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Steve
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:45 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator See
> > All
> >
> > Ben
> > Why are all those veterans saying that Kerry did not
> > earn them.  Also, not the swift boat but a whole new
> > group are having a get together this weekend to
> > denounce Kerry.
> >
> > Kerry has done nothing is his whole career as a
> > senator to help protect this country.  He spent more
> > time protesting the war than he did fighting in it.
> > He have voted against every major weapons progran
> > that
> > has made this country a superpower over the last 20
> > years.
> >
> > Bottom line, the man cannot be trusted to defend
> > this
> > country against terrorests or rouge nations.  And
> > please keep in mind, the terrorist hate democrats
> > just
> > as much as republicans.
> > Steve
> >
> > --- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > > C'mon Steve, surely we're not going to demand that
> > > veterans prove that they
> > > deserve the medals that they were issued -- even
> > > veterans who don't have the
> > > sense to stay out of politics.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Steve
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 AM
> > > To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator
> > See
> > > All
> > >
> > > Stan
> > > All Kerry did in the war was film himself.  You
> > have
> > > no proof that he earn even one of his medals.
> > There
> > > are more people saying he was a joke in the war
> > than
> > > saying he did anything heroic.
> > >
> > > Kerry has voted against everything and every
> > weapon
> > > system that protect this country.  Voted against
> > > funding the CIA.  There is apsolutly no common
> > sence
> > > that were evern suggust that he has the brains
> > > necessary to run this country.  Again, he has
> > voted
> > > against everything that give liberal democrates
> > the
> > > freedom to be stupid, be on welfare and lazy.  YOu
> > > have the freedom to be that way thanks to our
> > > military.  Luckly, there our smarter people in
> > > Congress that did not side with Kerry which allows
> > > us
> > > to fund our military so that we can remain the
> > sole
> > > Superpower.  Without this, democrats would lose
> > > welfare.
> > > Steve
> > > --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Point of Information::
> > > >
> > > > When bills or resolutions, etc are up for votes
> > in
> > > > congress, riders can be
> > > > attached forcing a thinking lawmaker's desire to
> > > > vote one way on an issue,
> > > > to be changed because he or she is not in favor
> > of
> > > > the rider. So congress
> > > > people do vote one way and then are forced to
> > > "flip
> > > > flop" on the same issue
> > > > when it is effectively changed by the rider.
> > The
> > > > Republican side of the
> > > > isle does it - even vp Cheney.  Not uncommon.
> > > >
> > > > However, the Republicans are brilliant.  They
> > know
> > > > everyone but the simple
> > > > folk understand this so they make flip flop a
> > > > campaign theme.  Just like the
> > > > war record issue were they know everyone but the
> > > > simple folks understand
> > > > Bush bought his way out of harm's way while
> > Kerry
> > > > faced the bullets and then
> > > > decided the cause was a mistake and flipped
> > > flopped
> > > > over it, so they make
> > > > use of the left behind group to make the two war
> > > > records a campaign issue.
> > > > (not so sure they will get away  with it in this
> > > > instance - too obvious,
> > > > even to the blindly faithful  - plus many
> > > > Republicans like John McCain,
> > > > can't stomach it .)
> > > >
> > > > I still think money, being the bottom line in
> > our
> > > > society, makes betting the
> > > > way for the List to handle problem members.
> > Let's
> > > > bet.
> > > >
> > > > For instance we could bet on the sincerity of
> > > those
> > > > in favor this war. If
> > > > they are willing to join a "Lincoln" like
> > brigade
> > > to
> > > > fight terrorists in
> > > > Iraq tomorrow, they win.  (The list could chip
> > in
> > > > and pay their expenses
> > > > from a standing pot)  If they lose they have to
> > > add
> > > > to the List's betting
> > > > pot.
> > > >
> > > > And we could bet on the factual "flip flop"
> > > charges
> > > > by having those like
> > > > Bush and Steve, who accuse Kerry of this crime,
> > > vs.
> > > > those like myself who
> > > > say that if you count Bush's campaign promises
> > and
> > > > career remarks, he is the
> > > > "flip flopper" winner, contribute to the pot -
> > > have
> > > > the pot pay for an
> > > > independent accounting and the balance go to the
> > > > winner.   That would be the
> > > > civilized way to go.
> > > >
> > > > So my suggestion is not to impose censorship but
> > > to
> > > > refine the rules to:
> > > >
> > > > If you have an opinion, it has to proceed with a
> > > > remark like, " in my humble
> > > > opinion, you are an asshole".
> > > >
> > > > and statements proclaimed as factual, be
> > > accompanied
> > > > by contributions to the
> > > > betting pool,  like  " Kerry is the bigger flip
> > > > flopper and the facts will
> > > > prove that so here is my contribution to the
> > > betting
> > > > pool"   And the paid
> > > > factual team goes to work and the winner takes
> > > what
> > > > is left in the pool.  I
> > > > bet the compilation of the verifiable facts
> > could
> > > be
> > > > sold to the media or
> > > > published and the List could eventually make a
> > > > fortune.  Bill will get us a
> > > > publisher.and an advance.  Let's start betting
> > and
> > > > put our money where our
> > > > loose tongues are. .
> > > >
> > > > An aside: Bush lost the election by a
> > substantial
> > > > number of the popular
> > > > vote.  I would not be so quick in ceding the
> > > > election to him this time.
> > > > Those who understand and quiver (a cowards
> > opinion
> > > > and so labeled) at where
> > > > he is leading the country tend to be quieter
> > than
> > > > those in favor.
> > > >
> > > > Of course there are exceptions to those from the
> > > > left being "quieter". Wanna
> > > > bet.
> > > > .
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > > > To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator
> > > See
> > > > All
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Wally,
> > > > > You see, Steve is an analyst for the
> > government.
> > >
> > > > Hope that clears things
> > > > > up.
> > > > > Slim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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