[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Mon Sep 20 21:50:13 EDT 2004

bill Iraq and WMD are not going to decide this election, maybe for you but not anyone I talk to, it is other issues, frankly the
Kerry supporters are worried about WMD but not in your way, The ones I talk to see it: if we get hit bush will be a shoe in or if we
do not get hit bush will stand up and "look at the good job, we have not been hit for 3 years, I wish I could tell you about all the
one we stopped but it is a secret".  BTW best quote along those lines: "I wake up and lesten to the news hoping something bad happen
just to effect bush, I know this is wrong"

Also "Vote Kerry the french like him", you got to be kiding me,  would love to see that. Do you remember dicauious<sp>riding around
in a tank.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Michael,

Everyone did not think Saddam Hussein had WMD.  In fact, nobody thought so, and most of the civilized world said they could find no
evidence of WMD in Iraq.

The W. administration was the only one saying Iraq had WMD, and the W. administration claimed to know exactly where they were.  They
said the United Nations Weapons Inspectors were not doing their jobs.  You must remember this.  You are a bright guy, too.

The W. administration created their own internal intelligence unit which started to manufacture the evidence needed to convince the
American people that Iraq had WMD.  Contradictory intelligence coming from our own intelligence community was ignored and
discredited.

The Ws took the position that it was un-American to challenge their view that Iraq had WMD.  They made our soldiers fight in the
desert in full chemical warfare outfits.  They said we had to take out Saddam before he took us out with his nukes.  To quote David
Kay--our chief weapons inspector--"We were almost all wrong."

But the rest of the world wasn't.  The French, and the Russians, and the Chinese, everyone in the UN except the British, kept trying
to tell us--but we wouldn't listen.  Don't you remember?  No French fries?

You were misled, and so were many other Americans.

When did you figure out that there were no WMD in Iraq?  The Ws still haven't figured it out--or at least they claim they haven't.
Do you believe them?  They had 1400 people combing every trash can in the country at a cost of literally Billions of
dollars--Billions with a B--looking for something that virtually everyone in the world knew they weren't going to find.

I call that misleading, and I say that's the issue.

We literally can't afford leadership like this.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Meltzer
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Oh come one bill,

"has reported back that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

I call that misleading, and I believe that's what this election is about."

You are more intellect than that, WMD in Iraq are not going to decide the election. Does not your religion teach that "Noah was a
moral man for his time", and in the same way everyone thought the jerk had them(and he did use them), all sides in DC with full
check and balances. Sometime you have to go with what you got and make a call. I also thing you are offbase with people focusing on
the WMD as the deciding issue, it their but way down the list.

Now I just read that Bill Burkett has some type of ties to the "along with whatever contacts Mr. Burkett might have had with
Democratic operatives.", It look like this guy tried to grid an ax before(some about when bush was govern), do not let your zell
overlook that "the dirty tick" department is back, Maybe we need "Deep throat"(maybe I am thing about an enough post :-)

MJM

PS. BTW bill do not freak, just my shot at a little payback :-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Steve,

I know it will amaze you to learn that just because you say "End of story" that doesn't make it the end of the story.

On July 13, 2003 Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, when asked whether George W. Bush had misled the nation with regard to the
threat of Weapons of Mass Destruction said "End of story."  But it really wasn't, was it?

Every weapons inspector who has tried to find the weapons W. warned of in his State of the Union Speech, and that Secretary of State
Colin Powell warned of in his United Nations speech, has reported back that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

I call that misleading, and I believe that's what this election is about.

Even if he wins, I don't think that will be the end of this story.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Steve
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Bill
Bush received a Honorable Discharge.  End of story.
Last poll I heard was that only 1 in 5 even care about
his guard service and then even its not an issue for
voting on for President.

As for a Kerry goes, we can debate Bush all day long,
but there is nothing to debate about Kerry; he has no
stance on anything.  His voting record clearing shows
that he cannot be trusted to protect this country.
Again, End of Story.
Steve

PS - Good attachment Brad.

--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I respectfully disagree with most if not all of your
> assessments, however, time does not permit me to
> formulate a reasoned response this morning.  I do
> have
> one, trust me.
>
> In the meantime, enjoy the attachment.
>
> Brad Haslett
> "CoraShen"
>
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > The point of the National Guard issue is not
> > Vietnam, any more than the Clinton Impeachment was
> > about sex.  Both hinge on the question of
> > Presidential misleading.  George W. Bush ran for
> > President on this issue, saying repeatedly that he
> > would not mislead the American people.  The extent
> > to which he has misled the American people about
> his
> > National Guard record is emblematic of the way he
> > has misled the American People about virtually
> > everything else.
> >
> > And it doesn't matter on which side of the
> political
> > fence you place yourself.
> >
> > Did W. report for duty in Alabama as ordered?  No,
> > he did not.  He wants to mislead you on this
> point,
> > he can't remember where he was; he doesn't
> remember
> > what he did; there isn't a single individual he
> ever
> > spoke to, or reported to while he was there; he
> > knows he got an honorable discharge, so he figures
> > you've got to assume he must have been there.  But
> > he wasn't, and there is ample support for that
> > statement in the records disclosed by the White
> > House, and in follow-up interviews with every
> single
> > person who was there at the time.
> >
> > But the issue is not military records.  It is
> > misleading.  W. has been misleading since he was a
> > kid, and it just doesn't stop.  He misled us about
> > having no connection to the "Swift Boat Captains
> for
> > Truth," he misled us about the environment, he
> > misled us about tax cuts, he misled us about the
> > budget, he misled us about fiscal conservatism, he
> > misled us about free trade, he misled us about
> going
> > after Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he misled us
> > about why we had to go to war with Iraq, he misled
> > us about "Mission Accomplished", he misled us
> about
> > how much the war would cost, he misled us about
> > Halliburton, he misled us about oil, he misled us
> > about Weapons of Mass Destruction, he misled us
> > about Libya, he misled us about France, he misled
> us
> > about Korea, he misled us about "good science", he
> > misled us about his energy policy, he misled us
> > about Enron, he mislead us about the "Axis of
> Evil",
> > he misled us about Social Security, he misled us
> > about 9/11, he misled us about health care costs,
> he
> > misled us about being "a uniter, not a divider,"
> he
> > misled us about "fuzzy math," he misled us about
> > "revisionist history," he ....
> >
> > The idea that people surrounding W. are
> criticizing
> > Kerry for flip-flops is the ultimate in
> unmitigated
> > gall.  W. has taken every side of every issue.  It
> > should be easier to compile a list of things he
> did
> > not mislead us on.  Except that it isn't.  What
> > didn't he mislead us on?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: brad haslett
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: National
> > Guard Was Hudson River Sailing
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > Read it!  You have to get up pretty early to beat
> me
> > to the Times, even though I read it with a "grain
> of
> > salt" just like I do the Memphis Commercial
> Appeal.
> > Jason Blair may be gone but his spirit lives on at
> > the
> > "Grey Lady.
> >
> > Here's a link to its real signifigance:
> >
> >
>
http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses
> >
> > Brad Haslett
> > "CoraShen"
> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nice.
> > >
> > > Did you see this one today?
> > >
> > > >From everything I know they got their facts
> > > straight:
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/20/politics/campaign/20bama.html?hp
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: brad haslett
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:05 AM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hudson River Sailing
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Bill!
> > >
> > > Did you see this article in today's NY Times?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/nyregion/19towns.html?hp
> > >
> > > On the next long layover in the NYC area I'm
> going
> > > to
> > > try to make it up there.  Might even give them
> > some
> > > money, you know, compassionate conservative I
> am.
> > >
> > > Brad Haslett
> > > "CoraShen"
> > >
> > >
> > >
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