[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading

Tue Sep 21 09:55:31 EDT 2004

Rik,

You make some god points. I can't stand Bush but I have a hard time getting 
behind Kerry. Bush has a doulbe digit lead in TN.  I have voted third party 
many times in the past and will likely do so this year

Regarding your comment about Bush having the support of Congress and the 
people before attacking Iraq. All memebers of Congress do not have access to 
the same security infomration as the president.  This is a good thing, most 
of these elected clowns couldn't be trusted with a real secret. I think it 
is fairly obvious that the President was provided a bunch of infomration 
that really wasn't true. They pitched their case to Congress as well as the 
UN.

Remember the nifty PowerPoint showing exact locations of terror training 
camps. bomb plants and so on. We supposedly have inside knowledge of what is 
going on over there yet the inspectors can't find a thing. I for one was 
against attacking when we did even if Iraq did have WMD. We could have 
easily waited a little longer and seen how things played out. We rushed into 
this thing because of 911. In my minds our leaders took advantage of the 
mood of the country. I don't think we would have attacked iraq when we did 
without 911. When one studies the facts available there is no link to Iraq 
and 911.

We played our hand too early, now we are stuck with it. Now we are pleading 
for UN support. It looks like everyone agrees that we should send more 
troops to help free Iraq. Bin Laden is still loose and we are wasting 
billions in Iraq.

Wally

>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:35:28 -0500
>
>As long as we're on the subject of mis-leading, I just gotta ask:
>
>How is it that someone can collect three Purple Hearts in a forty day stint 
>in Vietnam and spend no time in a hospital. I'll bet his manicurist was 
>really pissed.
>
>Myself, I'd be ashamed to accept a Purple Heart for the "owies" Mr. Kerry 
>must have incurred, considering the injuries of some of the people over 
>there that really deserved the medal. But then again I wouldn't be caught 
>dead hanging around with Hanoi Jane either. Just for that fact alone, I 
>wouldn't vote for John Kerry if his opposition was Pat Paulson
>
>And wasn't Senator Kerry one of the vast majority of the legislature that 
>voted to go  to Iraq?? Seems to me, the President had the backing of the 
>majority of the American Public AND the blessing of the legislature to 
>boot, going into this thing. Is someone going to try to tell me that 
>Senators and Representatives are not privy to the same intelligence 
>information that the President is? .... Yeah right.
>
>I'd sure like to see the name of ONE politician that hasn't done something 
>that could be considered mis-leading. Mr Kerry, IMHO is pretty close to the 
>top of the list in this area.
>
>So Brad and Steve.....I'm with you :-)
>
>Rik
>
>
>At 01:33 PM 9/20/2004, you wrote:
>>Steve,
>>
>>I know it will amaze you to learn that just because you say "End of story" 
>>that doesn't make it the end of the story.
>>
>>On July 13, 2003 Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, when asked whether 
>>George W. Bush had misled the nation with regard to the threat of Weapons 
>>of Mass Destruction said "End of story."  But it really wasn't, was it?
>>
>>Every weapons inspector who has tried to find the weapons W. warned of in 
>>his State of the Union Speech, and that Secretary of State Colin Powell 
>>warned of in his United Nations speech, has reported back that there were 
>>no Weapons of Mass Destruction.
>>
>>I call that misleading, and I believe that's what this election is about.
>>
>>Even if he wins, I don't think that will be the end of this story.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Steve
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Misleading
>>
>>
>>Bill
>>Bush received a Honorable Discharge.  End of story.
>>Last poll I heard was that only 1 in 5 even care about
>>his guard service and then even its not an issue for
>>voting on for President.
>>
>>As for a Kerry goes, we can debate Bush all day long,
>>but there is nothing to debate about Kerry; he has no
>>stance on anything.  His voting record clearing shows
>>that he cannot be trusted to protect this country.
>>Again, End of Story.
>>Steve
>>
>>PS - Good attachment Brad.
>>
>>
>>--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > I respectfully disagree with most if not all of your
>> > assessments, however, time does not permit me to
>> > formulate a reasoned response this morning.  I do
>> > have
>> > one, trust me.
>> >
>> > In the meantime, enjoy the attachment.
>> >
>> > Brad Haslett
>> > "CoraShen"
>> >
>> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Brad,
>> > >
>> > > The point of the National Guard issue is not
>> > > Vietnam, any more than the Clinton Impeachment was
>> > > about sex.  Both hinge on the question of
>> > > Presidential misleading.  George W. Bush ran for
>> > > President on this issue, saying repeatedly that he
>> > > would not mislead the American people.  The extent
>> > > to which he has misled the American people about
>> > his
>> > > National Guard record is emblematic of the way he
>> > > has misled the American People about virtually
>> > > everything else.
>> > >
>> > > And it doesn't matter on which side of the
>> > political
>> > > fence you place yourself.
>> > >
>> > > Did W. report for duty in Alabama as ordered?  No,
>> > > he did not.  He wants to mislead you on this
>> > point,
>> > > he can't remember where he was; he doesn't
>> > remember
>> > > what he did; there isn't a single individual he
>> > ever
>> > > spoke to, or reported to while he was there; he
>> > > knows he got an honorable discharge, so he figures
>> > > you've got to assume he must have been there.  But
>> > > he wasn't, and there is ample support for that
>> > > statement in the records disclosed by the White
>> > > House, and in follow-up interviews with every
>> > single
>> > > person who was there at the time.
>> > >
>> > > But the issue is not military records.  It is
>> > > misleading.  W. has been misleading since he was a
>> > > kid, and it just doesn't stop.  He misled us about
>> > > having no connection to the "Swift Boat Captains
>> > for
>> > > Truth," he misled us about the environment, he
>> > > misled us about tax cuts, he misled us about the
>> > > budget, he misled us about fiscal conservatism, he
>> > > misled us about free trade, he misled us about
>> > going
>> > > after Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he misled us
>> > > about why we had to go to war with Iraq, he misled
>> > > us about "Mission Accomplished", he misled us
>> > about
>> > > how much the war would cost, he misled us about
>> > > Halliburton, he misled us about oil, he misled us
>> > > about Weapons of Mass Destruction, he misled us
>> > > about Libya, he misled us about France, he misled
>> > us
>> > > about Korea, he misled us about "good science", he
>> > > misled us about his energy policy, he misled us
>> > > about Enron, he mislead us about the "Axis of
>> > Evil",
>> > > he misled us about Social Security, he misled us
>> > > about 9/11, he misled us about health care costs,
>> > he
>> > > misled us about being "a uniter, not a divider,"
>> > he
>> > > misled us about "fuzzy math," he misled us about
>> > > "revisionist history," he ....
>> > >
>> > > The idea that people surrounding W. are
>> > criticizing
>> > > Kerry for flip-flops is the ultimate in
>> > unmitigated
>> > > gall.  W. has taken every side of every issue.  It
>> > > should be easier to compile a list of things he
>> > did
>> > > not mislead us on.  Except that it isn't.  What
>> > > didn't he mislead us on?
>> > >
>> > > Bill
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: brad haslett
>> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:33 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: National
>> > > Guard Was Hudson River Sailing
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bill,
>> > >
>> > > Read it!  You have to get up pretty early to beat
>> > me
>> > > to the Times, even though I read it with a "grain
>> > of
>> > > salt" just like I do the Memphis Commercial
>> > Appeal.
>> > > Jason Blair may be gone but his spirit lives on at
>> > > the
>> > > "Grey Lady.
>> > >
>> > > Here's a link to its real signifigance:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses
>> > >
>> > > Brad Haslett
>> > > "CoraShen"
>> > > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Nice.
>> > > >
>> > > > Did you see this one today?
>> > > >
>> > > > >From everything I know they got their facts
>> > > > straight:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/20/politics/campaign/20bama.html?hp
>> > > >
>> > > > Bill
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: brad haslett
>> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:05 AM
>> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hudson River Sailing
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hey Bill!
>> > > >
>> > > > Did you see this article in today's NY Times?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/nyregion/19towns.html?hp
>> > > >
>> > > > On the next long layover in the NYC area I'm
>> > going
>> > > > to
>> > > > try to make it up there.  Might even give them
>> > > some
>> > > > money, you know, compassionate conservative I
>> > am.
>> > > >
>> > > > Brad Haslett
>> > > > "CoraShen"
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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