[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another Fearless Prediction

Sun Sep 26 22:49:53 EDT 2004

Brad,

That's the 1991 analysis of chemical agents.  CIA was wrong about their ability to create and store chemical agents after 1991.  They couldn't and didn't.  We know that now.

We provided Iraq with the biological weapons.  They didn't have the ability to develop them by themselves.  Iraq never developed the ability to make them.  They never had nukes, and never came close.  We provided the precursor chemicals required for Iraq's manufacture of chemical weapons, and we authorized their use, but when we pulled the plug they were never able to produce the stable chemicals required in sufficient quantity for a weapons program.  We have stockpiles of many of the same chemical WMD, and like the Iraqis, we destroyed several different types because they were unstable.

We didn't find WMD because Iraq didn't have WMD.  Our government spent over a billion dollars looking for something every knowledgeable person knew wasn't there and hadn't been there.  There are real issues to address.  Let's not spend a lot of time concocting WMD conspiracy theories.

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: brad haslett 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another Fearless Prediction

Gentlemen,

Here's a link to the Federation of American Scientists
1991 analysis of Iraq's bio capability based on CIA
data.

http://www.fas.org/irp/gulf/cia/960705/73919_01.htm

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"

--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> Scott Rider's assertions to the contrary, consider
> this.  At the time Iraq
> developed & was using their chemical & biological
> weapons, they were the 4th
> largest military force in the world.  Iraq is mostly
> desert & all of Iraq's
> neighbors are mostly desert.  Thus, any battle
> scenario that the Iraq
> military could reasonably foresee, not matter
> whether it was defensive or
> offensive would involve desert warfare.  These are
> smart people being driven
> by a madman for whom failure was not an option. 
> Literally billions of
> dollars in resources were available to these
> programs.  When your family is
> being held hostage & your own life is in danger of
> imprisonment &/or torture
> if you don't succeed, I would imagine most folks
> would get right down to
> business & solve the biological, chemical,
> shelflife, & other technical
> problems of getting chemical & biological weapons to
> work in a desert combat
> scenario.  No one doubts that the United States &
> Russia know how to build
> biological and chemical weapons.  The chemical
> weapons disposal program in
> the US Army involved warheads that were something
> like 30+ years old & they
> were treated with due respect.  Why would anyone
> doubt that the Iraq
> military couldn't build a similarly robust, long
> shelf life weapon?
> Sometimes, you have to give the devil his due.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
> Prediction
> 
> 
> > "If we find something, great, but professionally,
> > I don't see how these weapons could exist. They
> > defy the laws of industry, the laws of science and
> > technology.They have no shelf life."
> >
> > Scott Ridder
> > Former UN Inspector
> > April 18, 2003
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Pihlaja
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 3:34 PM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Fearless
> Prediction
> >
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > Since your news story seems to have vindicated the
> prediction I made last
> summer regarding smuggling WMD's out of Iraq into
> Syria & Lebanon, let me
> make another fearless prediction.  By, the way Bill,
> you are mistaken
> regarding the shelf life & stability of chemical &
> biological weapons.  They
> are both plenty stable enough to be transported long
> distances over the
> desert.  If they weren't, they would never survive
> the heat & pressure of
> the explosive used to disperse them when the warhead
> goes off.  Anthrax, for
> example, is a bacteria that lives naturally in the
> soil by forming spores
> that are remarkably resistant to the environment. 
> So-called "weaponized"
> Anthrax is actually a mixture of spray dried Anthrax
> spores stuck to the
> surface of particles of an inert low density
> substrate such as finely ground
> cellulose.  The trick is to get the particle size
> distribution just right so
> the particles tend to get lofted into the air, float
> around on air currents
> for long distances, & eventually get inhaled by
> potential victims.  In the
> moist, warm conditions inside the respiratory tract,
> the Anthrax spores
> spring back to life & infect the victim.  Chemical
> weapons are usually of
> the so-called "binary" type wherein the warhead
> actually contains two
> compartments.  Each compartment contains a reactive
> precusor.  When the
> warhead is fired, the precursor chemicals are mixed
> together & chemically
> react to form the final toxin, such as a nerve
> agent.  Although the final
> toxin may have a short half life, each of the
> precursor chemicals is quite
> stable over long periods of time.
> >
> > I just heard a news story that the US State Dept
> has approved the sale of
> several hundred million dollars worth of
> "penetrating munitions" to Israel.
> Now what do you suppose Israel would want with a
> boatload of bunker busters?
> Unless Iran opens up its nuclear program to permit
> on-site inspections, I
> predict Israel will do a coordinated air assault to
> take out about a dozen
> key Iranian nuclear facilities all at the same time,
> in a scaled-up version
> of a similar operation they pulled on Iraq in 1985(I
> think that was the
> year?).  I predict this will happen in less than a
> year from now.  The
> United States will chastise Israel in public for
> this action; but, in
> private we will be thanking them for doing our dirty
> work for us.
> >
> > If the Iraqi WMD's really are in Syria &/or
> Lebanon, I hope we've captured
> them by then.  Or maybe the approval of this sale of
> penetrating munitions
> to Israel means they've already been secured by
> special forces or some other
> means?  The general public may never hear the full
> story on this one.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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