[Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another Fearless Prediction

Mon Sep 27 11:53:14 EDT 2004

Brad, Welcome back.  Your comment below is still 10 years away from not 
offending the common man.  I think it will get to that point but we all want 
to feel more civilized with our euphenisms.  I have been thinking about you 
this last week while reading Earnest K. Gann.  I cant remember the title but 
it was his last book and life story.  Truelly amazing life and pretty good 
story teller.  I am sure you have some of his books in your library but 
mabey it is time for a reread.  I won't be at K-Lake this year, catch you 
later.

Bob Weber

>From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics:  Another Fearless Prediction
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Bill,
>
>Ed Koch got it right.  If we don't win this war on
>terrorism the domestic issues don't matter.  I'm
>personally tired of calling it a war on terror, its a
>war on Islamic extremism.  Where are the public
>outcries from even moderate Muslims in our country and
>others?  Every apology and explanation follows with a
>diatribe about US policy and Israel.  If it were
>Catholics, or Buddists, Hindus blowing up buildings
>and shooting kids I would expect mainstream followers
>of those faiths to step forward and speak up.  Most of
>the "Arab street" cheered our three thousand dead.
>I'll leave political correctness to the politicians
>and university professors. Muslims of the world need
>to go on record saying this is wrong and against the
>teachings of the Koran.  If they don't believe it is,
>our problem is simple.  Kill em!
>
>Brad Haslett
>"CoraShen"
>--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > According to the CIA, the State Department, the
> > Defense Department, United Nations weapons
> > inspectors, our own weapons inspectors, and
> > independent chemical engineers all over the world,
> > you are mistaken.
> >
> > The entire world knew before we invaded Iraq that
> > Iraq did not have WMD.  Our government claimed to
> > have intelligence no one else had proving the world
> > wrong, and us right.  The whole world now knows
> > there was no such evidence, and claims to the
> > contrary were simply untrue.  We knew no more than
> > anyone else, and after invading Iraq, our own
> > experts have clearly stated that Iraq had no WMD
> > before the war.
> >
> > While many of the things you say are true, the fact
> > of the matter is that Iraq was unwilling or unable
> > to manufacture chemical, biological, or nuclear WMD
> > after 1991, and they destroyed everything they had
> > manufactured before that date to the satisfaction of
> > every expert in this field who ever set foot in
> > Iraq.  There is no evidence, absolute zero, to the
> > contrary.
> >
> > It is time to stop making fearless predictions, and
> > to start using your intellect to better purposes.
> > This country is in trouble.  Our young people are
> > dying for political slogans.  Skilled working age
> > men like you are unable to find work.  Our parents
> > are eating dog food to make ends meet.
> >
> > All these problems have solutions, and each of us
> > has something to contribute.  Blaming everything on
> > bogeymen won't help.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Pihlaja
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another
> > Fearless Prediction
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > As a chemical engineer, I can tell you that blister
> > agents and the
> > precursors for nerve agents are relatively easy to
> > produce.  The equipment &
> > feed chemicals to produce these materials have many
> > legitimate uses & are
> > available on the open market from many sources.
> > Likewise, spray dryers,
> > fermentation vessels, and the equipment to produce
> > bioweapons have many
> > legitimate uses & are available on the open market
> > from many sources.
> > Neither of these materials require particularly high
> > tech chemistry or
> > processing.  It doesn't have to be a very big
> > facility either.  Significant
> > quantities of either type of weapon could be
> > manufactured in a process that
> > would fit into a few semi trailers or a small
> > warehouse.  The Iraqi's are
> > smart, well-educated people & there were billions of
> > dollars of resources to
> > throw at the problem.  The fact that the United
> > States cut off their supply
> > of chemical & biological agents means nothing.  It
> > would have simply spurred
> > Saddam to build up his own production capability &
> > he had years & the entire
> > world to shop from.
> >
> > Don't you recall that almost imediately after the
> > Iraqi's produced their
> > 10,000 pages of documentation, there were questions
> > regarding the fate of
> > the existing stockpiles?  There were no records
> > produced of the destruction
> > of these weapons, there was no incineration
> > facility, no witnesses to the
> > destruction process came forward to testify.  You
> > don't just dispose of some
> > of the most toxic stuff known in a bonfire.  It
> > requires a specially
> > designed incinerator & carefully controlled
> > procedures.  This is a process
> > that had to require months if not years to complete.
> >  Yet, it didn't seem to
> > leave any sort of footprints behind.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another
> > Fearless Prediction
> >
> >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > We supplied Iraq with that WMD, and we sanctioned
> > its use.  We thought it
> > was the only way Iraq had a chance against Iran.
> > Iran also used WMD against
> > the Iraqis, but to a lesser extent.
> > >
> > > The Kurds sided with Iran in the war as a way to
> > possibly carve a piece
> > out of Iraq if Iran won the war.  Iraqis do not
> > regard Kurds as "Our Own
> > People" any more than southerners saw freed slaves
> > as "Our Own People"
> > during the civil war--and for many years thereafter.
> > >
> > > When we stopped providing the precursor chemicals,
> > Iraq lost the ability
> > to make WMD.  The stuff does have a limited shelf
> > life.  At some point
> > everyone destroys the WMD on the shelf, because old
> > casings start leaking
> > and your own soldiers start keeling over.
> > >
> > > Iraq provided 10,000 pages of documentation
> > showing when and where they
> > had destroyed their WMD.  The UN inspection teams
> > verified that the stuff
> > was destroyed.  There were bookkeeping errors--some
> > of the chemicals have
> > multiple uses--but no one could find so much as a
> > gram of the stuff where it
> > wasn't supposed to be.
> > >
> > > The United States said that as soon as we
> > "liberated" Iraq, the Iraqi
> > scientists would show us where the WMD had been made
> > and had been hidden,
> > but not a single scientist materialized after the
> > invasion.
> > >
> > > David Kay was one of the leading United States
> > experts who insisted before
> > the war that Iraq had WMD.  He spent 6 months
> > desperately looking for them
> > and then finally concluded that Iraq did not have
> > them and had not had them.
> > He's the one who said we were almost all wrong on
> > this issue.
> > >
> > > We know exactly what happened to the WMD Saddam
> > had, and we know he lacked
> > the ability to make more.  Let's not start
> > speculating about whether space
> > aliens (or Syrians) drove off with it.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: brad haslett
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Politics: Another
> > Fearless Prediction
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Where have you been hiding?  WMD conspiracy
> > theories?
> > > I love/hate the New Yorker Magazine but I'll use
> > it to
> > > make a point.  Saddams's possession AND use of WMD
> > is
> > > well documented.  Where are they now?  Don't know.
> > >
> > >
> >
>http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020325fa_FACT1
> > >
> > > There's tons of info on this attack and others.
> > I'm
> > > using this article out of convenience because I
> > > remember reading it when it was first published.
> > >
> > > Brad Haslett
> > > "CoraShen"
> > > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brad,
> >
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