[Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.

Wed Sep 29 20:53:08 EDT 2004

Bill
Bush did complete his service and duty.  His records
have been released.  The facts our out there, Bill. 
The only facts that our not out there is John Kerry
records.  Of course we know he made a bunch of movies
of himself.  We don't know if he earned any of those
medels or ribbions that he shamefully threw back at
the White House with Hano Jane. We know Kerry did more
harm to this country by protesting it and putting many
soliders in danger because of all his protesting.  We
know that he has voted against ever major weapon
systems that protects this country.  Therefore, we
know he is a danger to this country.  We know he will
not protect this country.  

But we do know that Bush will protect this country. 
YOu just cannot say that about John Kerry.  
Steve   
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> If only you could read as fast as you type you might
> be able to stop spreading these completely untrue
> tales.
> 
> Obviously, you did not read W.s service records. 
> They do not show he completed his service and duty,
> and he has made no claim to the contrary.
> 
> What he does say is that he cannot remember who he
> reported to in Alabama, that he has no recollection
> of who he met who could vouch for the fact he was
> there, that he can't recall who he reported to, that
> he knows he couldn't have been flying while he was
> there, because he admits he never showed up for his
> required physical while he was in Texas, but he's
> not sure what he actually did do while he was in
> Alabama.
> 
> BUT -- and here's the hooker -- BUT he can show us
> his honorable discharge papers so he MUST have been
> there.
> 
> Now, I'm not taking on a position on that, because I
> was not there, myself.
> 
> All I'm asking is why you were willing to give W.
> the benefit of the doubt last week, and now you're
> trying to round up a lynch mob for people doing
> exactly the same thing this week?  Last week you
> opposed flip-flops.  This week they're OK?
> 
> Bill 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Steve 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.
> 
> 
> Bill
> Bush has release his records and they show he
> completed his service and duty.
> 
> However, Kerry has NOT release his records.  Whats
> your boy hiding.  Face it, Kerry is an unpatiotic,
> seft serving, deferrment to our society.  Funny
> thing
> is that he can't present the facts to anything.  He
> can't even remember all the different stories he
> tell
> the media. It really is a sad thing that the
> democratic party couldn't pick a better canditate. 
> Steve
> 
>  
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
> > No, the records do not indicate that at all.  
> Quite
> > to the contrary.    
> > 
> > His commanding officer, who his orders told him to
> > report to, stated flatly "I'm dead-certain he
> didn't
> > show up."
> > 
> > No one has ever debunked that statement.  
> > 
> > The White House stated that W. had reported for
> duty
> > in Boston instead.  But that turned out to be
> wrong,
> > too.  He never showed up in Boston, either, and
> > nobody has ever produced records showing that he
> did
> > show up.  The White House admitted he never showed
> > up in Boston months after making the statement
> that
> > he had served in Boston instead of Alabama.
> > 
> > It is virtually certain, and no one has ever
> > disputed this, that George Bush did not show up in
> > Alabama as ordered.
> > 
> > What he did is no different from what these guys
> > have done.
> > 
> > So, I ask you again, what makes these guys
> shirkers
> > and cowards if they are just doing the same thing
> > the Commander-in-Chief did 30 years ago?  (Also
> > during wartime.)
> > 
> > Was he, too, "sucking on the tit..." how did that
> > go, Brad?
> > 
> > Bill
> >                                      
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Herb Parsons 
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.
> > 
> > 
> > Hmmm, I thought that "evidence" was debunked.
> > 
> > All records indicate that George W Bush fulfilled
> > his military
> > requirements.
> > 
> > >>> bill at effros.com 9/29/2004 8:23:16 PM >>>
> > Herb,
> > 
> > Sorry I haven't been following this thread.  Did I
> > miss the part where
> > someone explained why it was OK for W. to fail to
> > show up during the
> > Vietnam war, and why that didn't make him a
> shirker
> > and coward?
> > 
> > Bill Effros
> >                                      
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> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Herb Parsons 
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.
> > 
> > 
> > I suggest it's a symptom of many things. A society
> > that feels less and
> > less true responsibilty to live up to it's
> > obligation. That would
> > account for the "I don't WANT to do what I said"
> > part. A society that
> > has been very long living in relative peace. That
> > would explain the
> > "But
> > I didn't think I'd have to FIGHT when I joined the
> > military".
> > 
> > That fact is, there were plenty of AWOLs and
> > deserters during WWII as
> > well. As a matter of fact, if memory serves me
> > correctly, WWII was the
> > last war where we court-martialed and executed a
> > deserter.
> > 
> > In any war, we'll have a number of shirkers and
> > cowards.
> > 
> > >>> robert at squirrelhaven.com 9/29/2004 7:40:26 PM
> > >>>
> > Herb Parsons wrote:
> > > 
> > > So, you're advocating the idea that reservists
> > should be free to go
> > AWOL
> > > or even desert if they don't agree with their
> > commanders? I REALLY
> > try
> > > to stay out of the political discussions on
> here,
> > but that one I
> > would
> > > take a BIG issue with.
> > 
> > Whoa, Herb - WAY not what I said!  Check it out.
> > 
> > I suggested that the AWOL figure (if accurate) is
> a
> > symptom of our country's polarization.  Like Viet
> > Nam...
> > 
> > /Bob Skinner
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------
> > What I said:
> > 
> > > Perhaps the message is not that desertion/AWOL
> is
> > OK,
> > > but rather the fact that so many reservists (if
> > the
> > > number is correct) are willing to risk so much
> in
> > > defiance of orders.
> > > 
> > > A reserve army structure is naturally more
> > influenced
> > > by civilian issues than the regular forces. 
> IMHO,
> > it
> > > is very possible to overstress a
> reserve/volunteer
> > > military structure with a divisive or unpopular
> > war.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps that is what is going on...
> > > 
> > > /Bob Skinner
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