[Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.

Thu Sep 30 00:11:08 EDT 2004

Brad,

You seem to have joined Steve in the fast typing-slow thinking school of political discourse.

Are those high altitudes finally getting to you?

We were not talking about the relative merits of the F102.  If someone who is politically connected wangles a million dollars worth of fighter pilot training in the middle of a war and has stated he does not want to fight in that war, I would think it prudent to train him on the plane least likely to be sent into battle.  Isn't that your position on this tit sucking thing? (Should that be teat?)

And why confuse Steve by bringing up the Vietnamese in Paris?  What does that have to do with anything?  That was our peace conference.  We put it together.  All sides attended.  Kerry was asked to report on it to our Senate--and did so.  Bush can't even remember where he was in 1972.

And nobody is knocking the Guard.  What's that about?  We all understand why those guys might think that's a "very dangerous tit to suck on..." and why they might "ask for some time off..."

What we're all trying to get a handle on here, and I know I'm not alone in this, is why you think you can say one thing one week and the opposite thing the next and think nobody is going to call you on it.  

Maybe it's because you got away with it 4 years ago, but I doubt you'll get away with it again.

Bill

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: brad haslett 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.

Bill,

If you know anything about the F102 you would know
that is a very dangerous tit to suck on.  William
Jefferson Clinton put to rest the whole "serving in
Vietnam" issue twelve years ago but we're discussing
it again because Kerry wants us to make a judgement
based on his three months of combat (four in country).

Judging by your posts and opinions, I think you should
vote for John Kerry, but please, don't knock the Guard
if you don't know these folks.

In 1972 when Bush did/didn't meet his Guard
obligations, Kerry was in Paris meeting with the
Vietnamese.

I see little hope of us agreeing on this, lets move on
Bill.  How about WMD?

Brad Haslett
"CoraShen"

  --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> No, the records do not indicate that at all.   Quite
> to the contrary.    
> 
> His commanding officer, who his orders told him to
> report to, stated flatly "I'm dead-certain he didn't
> show up."
> 
> No one has ever debunked that statement.  
> 
> The White House stated that W. had reported for duty
> in Boston instead.  But that turned out to be wrong,
> too.  He never showed up in Boston, either, and
> nobody has ever produced records showing that he did
> show up.  The White House admitted he never showed
> up in Boston months after making the statement that
> he had served in Boston instead of Alabama.
> 
> It is virtually certain, and no one has ever
> disputed this, that George Bush did not show up in
> Alabama as ordered.
> 
> What he did is no different from what these guys
> have done.
> 
> So, I ask you again, what makes these guys shirkers
> and cowards if they are just doing the same thing
> the Commander-in-Chief did 30 years ago?  (Also
> during wartime.)
> 
> Was he, too, "sucking on the tit..." how did that
> go, Brad?
> 
> Bill
>                                      
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Herb Parsons 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.
> 
> 
> Hmmm, I thought that "evidence" was debunked.
> 
> All records indicate that George W Bush fulfilled
> his military
> requirements.
> 
> >>> bill at effros.com 9/29/2004 8:23:16 PM >>>
> Herb,
> 
> Sorry I haven't been following this thread.  Did I
> miss the part where
> someone explained why it was OK for W. to fail to
> show up during the
> Vietnam war, and why that didn't make him a shirker
> and coward?
> 
> Bill Effros
>                                      
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Herb Parsons 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political/warin Iraq.
> 
> 
> I suggest it's a symptom of many things. A society
> that feels less and
> less true responsibilty to live up to it's
> obligation. That would
> account for the "I don't WANT to do what I said"
> part. A society that
> has been very long living in relative peace. That
> would explain the
> "But
> I didn't think I'd have to FIGHT when I joined the
> military".
> 
> That fact is, there were plenty of AWOLs and
> deserters during WWII as
> well. As a matter of fact, if memory serves me
> correctly, WWII was the
> last war where we court-martialed and executed a
> deserter.
> 
> In any war, we'll have a number of shirkers and
> cowards.
> 
> >>> robert at squirrelhaven.com 9/29/2004 7:40:26 PM
> >>>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
> > 
> > So, you're advocating the idea that reservists
> should be free to go
> AWOL
> > or even desert if they don't agree with their
> commanders? I REALLY
> try
> > to stay out of the political discussions on here,
> but that one I
> would
> > take a BIG issue with.
> 
> Whoa, Herb - WAY not what I said!  Check it out.
> 
> I suggested that the AWOL figure (if accurate) is a
> symptom of our country's polarization.  Like Viet
> Nam...
> 
> /Bob Skinner
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> What I said:
> 
> > Perhaps the message is not that desertion/AWOL is
> OK,
> > but rather the fact that so many reservists (if
> the
> > number is correct) are willing to risk so much in
> > defiance of orders.
> > 
> > A reserve army structure is naturally more
> influenced
> > by civilian issues than the regular forces.  IMHO,
> it
> > is very possible to overstress a reserve/volunteer
> > military structure with a divisive or unpopular
> war.
> > 
> > Perhaps that is what is going on...
> > 
> > /Bob Skinner
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