[Rhodes22-list] Generator
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Apr 1 10:00:30 EST 2005
Thanks, Rik,
I have more electricity and batteries than I ever need. Because of my
link10 I know the exact status of the electrical system all the time.
I guess I was seduced by the Honda the same way you and Brad were
seduced. It is useful to know that neither one of you ever wound up
using it in the way you discussed. My Tohatsu and Solar Cells keep my
batteries fully charged year round.
Bill Effros
Rik Sandberg wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Not regularly. I have brought it along a couple times, but haven't
> really used it. I did fire it up one night just to see what it would
> be like. We were alone in a very quiet place and as quiet as those
> Hondas are under normal conditions, it still seemed like a lot of
> noise in that quiet bay. I sure wouldn't figure on using the thing at
> night.
>
> Once I understood that:
>
> On our Flicka, I am working toward needing less electricity. I have a
> kerosene lantern now for an anchor light. I even found a set of pretty
> cool brass, kerosene nav. lights for the bow. also bought a really
> pretty gimbaled brass kero lamp for the cabin. I still have all the
> electric ones too and I'd like to find LED replacements for at least
> the cabin lights, but I can move around and get by pretty good with
> almost no electricity if I have to or want to. I will be purchasing a
> couple or three 11 watt flexible solar panels to make up what
> electricity we do need. Our 9.9 Yamaha charges the batteries too, when
> we run it, which happily, isn't usually a lot. Even bought a sculling
> oar so I can slide out of a quiet bay in the morning without waking up
> the whole world.
>
> We're not real big on electronic gadgets, but we do have a radio/tape
> deck and many nights we will listen to books on tape. Also have a
> little DVD player so we can watch a movie if they're handy.
>
> Got a depth sounder which is on most of the time and a VHF and GPS
> which are off most of the time.
>
> Rik
>
> Bill Effros wrote:
>
>> Rik,
>>
>> Do you have generator on the Flicka?
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that was me. :-)
>>>
>>> Brad and I were trying to figure out the best way to hang the things
>>> off the transom. IIRC we decided to make a shelf out of the boarding
>>> ladder and set 'em on there. Never did use the Honda on the R 22.
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh heck Bill I never lambasted anyone. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I know Ric has a Honda but I am not sure if he ever used on his
>>>> Rhodes. They scare me a little on small boats like ours. A couple
>>>> of years ago three people were airlifted from our marina
>>>> overhwlemed by fumes on their big Carver cruiser. Supposedly the
>>>> guy had 3 carbon monoxide detecters. On a boat like Brads he may
>>>> have plenty of room. I would still suggest one of the jump starter
>>>> packs. They are prety cheap. If you put a generator on your boat be
>>>> careful.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Generator
>>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:21:56 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>> Who was the other guy we were lambasting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't had the need for a generator so I really didn't comment
>>>>>> back then. For my use they are overkill but I could see how they
>>>>>> could be handy. What about one of those jump start battery packs?
>>>>>> My buddy just restored a boat from the 70s and his motor has a
>>>>>> hand crank. I thought that was pretty nice. You need to know how
>>>>>> to use crank so you don't get hurt. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Generator
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:45:00 -0500
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry about the lambasting. I think I was on the lambasting
>>>>>>> side of the equation, although I think my role would better be
>>>>>>> characterized as ridiculing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I stumbled across one, and was really surprised about how
>>>>>>> quiet it was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly, I had trashed all the email in this thread, thinking it
>>>>>>> would never apply to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I'm thinking it might be a really useful thing to carry
>>>>>>> aboard. Your situation is just one example. But it also might
>>>>>>> be useful as a hybrid gas/electric propulsion system in a
>>>>>>> pinch. We are already carrying the gas on board, so that's no
>>>>>>> big thing. The small generators run on a thimbleful of gas.
>>>>>>> The little Honda runs around $700.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I remember, you and Wally (?) had some interesting storage
>>>>>>> and mounting ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, sorry about the lambasting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I started that discussion and pretty well got
>>>>>>>> lambasted for it. The last issue of Practical Sailor
>>>>>>>> did a review on small generators and chose the Yamaha
>>>>>>>> by a slight edge over my Honda. It was my intent to
>>>>>>>> take it with me on this trip but was one of a dozen
>>>>>>>> items left behind. A small generator on board would
>>>>>>>> have definitely solved our problem of low batteries. I've
>>>>>>>> thought about leaving it on the boat but it saved
>>>>>>>> our arse at home during hurricane Elvis last year, and
>>>>>>>> kept us from losing all our food after going without
>>>>>>>> power for three days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Weren't you part of the small portable generator
>>>>>>>>> discussion? The more I've thought about it, (and after
>>>>>>>>> hearing how
>>>>>>>>> quietly they run) the more interested I've become in that idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you decide against it? Wouldn't that have
>>>>>>>>> solved your problem?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> brad haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anne,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's not be to harsh on the Bohemians. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to think of myself as a Bohemian sailor. My oldest
>>>>>>>>>> boy and his friends survived Spring Break on the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> boat,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the boat didn't fare as well. They stayed up all
>>>>>>>>>> night partying while I slept in the aft cabin. The
>>>>>>>>>> second morning we cranked the engine and motored
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> about 30 minutes until the wind picked up, and then
>>>>>>>>>> raised the sails and a few toasts. When the wind
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> died
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> down we stowed canvas and attempted to start the
>>>>>>>>>> diesel ginny. Click, Click, Click! My battery
>>>>>>>>>> charger quit a couple of months ago (it was a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> salvage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unit off the Mayflower), the replacement is on
>>>>>>>>>> backorder from Sailnet, and apparently we didn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> enough to recover from the gazillion hours of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stereo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> use. "Not to worry boys! Its a sailboat!" The
>>>>>>>>>> current was drifting us pretty quickly to a rocky
>>>>>>>>>> shore so I unstowed the main, manned the helm, and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Spencer man the halyard winch. I'm not sure what
>>>>>>>>>> happened but when the main was fully-up it had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> two-foot tear in the top panel. We sailed back to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> inlet to my marina with what wind (and sail)we had
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then flagged down a pontoon boat for a tow. Not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> any pontoon boat, a 350 cubic inch V-8 powered
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pontoon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> boat (didn't know they made such a thing). I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pulled
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the main off the boat, threw it in a sailbag for
>>>>>>>>>> repairs, and pressed on with the week. I purchased
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cheap battery charger from Wal-Mart to finish the
>>>>>>>>>> week's frivolities and sailed on the ginnies, both
>>>>>>>>>> iron and fabric.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the deal: my old main was pretty tired
>>>>>>>>>> anyway. Last year I debated replacing it but sent
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to SailCare instead. It came back still somewhat
>>>>>>>>>> dingy and baggy, unlike the sails I sent to them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the Rhodes-22. You can only do so much with an old
>>>>>>>>>> sail. Replacement costs run from $900+ to $2000
>>>>>>>>>> depending on the vendor and features. I'm debating
>>>>>>>>>> going to a Doyle StackPack. They haven't given me
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> quote yet but I understand its quite expensive. Do
>>>>>>>>>> you or anyone on the list have any experience with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> StackPack or know anyone who does? If my boat were
>>>>>>>>>> newer I might consider boom-furling but it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> make economic sense now. Of course, I could just
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the damn thing, get another Rhodes-22, and build a
>>>>>>>>>> cabin on the lake which is what I wanted to do in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> first place!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett
>>>>>>>>>> s/v "CoraShen" (Bohemian registry)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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