[Rhodes22-list] boat full of water, please help

Mon Aug 1 09:07:50 EDT 2005

Luis,

Nice pictures!  The picture of your boat going to windward on a loose reach
is very similar to a 25 year old photo I have of my father sailing his
Rhodes Continental.  His boat even had the same bow mounted port light.

For the last 20 years of his life, Sarasota Bay was his sailing waters.
It's a great place to sail and we sailed out the pass (FL word for inlet)
and around the island many times.  If you don't already keep your boat at
the Sarasota Sailing Squadron, perhaps you would want to check it out.  It's
subsidized by the city, so the fees are reasonable and it's a great club.
>From the SSS, my father met old men like himself and organized sailing trips
to the Everglades and back, a distance of 500 miles by water.

For the record, it is my belief  that motivation trumps experience when it
comes to fixer-upper boats.  The people on this list, as Stan says, are
pretty smart.  Many can learn how.  If one wants to find out how to fix up
an old boat, there is plenty of info and help available here, the R22 FAQ
site, the archives and the www in general.  It's only when the motivation
wanes that a project boat slows.

In my case, I gave up on my project boat when I realized it was cheaper to
buy Raven than to fix up Phoenix to the level of Raven.  But not all older
boats need to be fully renovated to give years of joy and sailing pleasure
to their owners.  I expect sooner or later I will enjoy putting Phoenix
together again.  After, even working on a boat is still "messing around".

Kudos to you for getting out on the water in one season.

PT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luis Guzman" <trpclman at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat full of water, please help

> Alan,
>
> I own a 1975 Rhodes Continental. This has been a proect boat that needed
some repair.
>
> I did not know anything about boat repairs when I took on the project, but
with help from the  the list and other experienced sailors I have gotten it
to the point that I can sail it. I still need to do some work on the cabin,
but that can wait for now.
>
> I had to build a new rudder head, put a new tiller (it was missing),
install a new centerboard (it was also missing), replace the stays, fix
leaky ports, replace both winches, and give it a bottom job (I paid somebody
else to do this).
>
> If you are a little bit handy and are willing to learn, you can fix your
Rhodes.
>
> Enclosed are pictures of my Rhodes taken last Saturday on the Sarasota
Bay.
>
> I'm the one sitting on the  starboard side, my wife Julia is in the
background, and my 12 year old is the one fishing from the stern.
>
> Luis Guzman
>
>
> Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> The posts you are getting from the most experienced members of this list
> are trying to tell you that you are way out of your depth on this project.
>
> You will not be on the water by your projected date.
>
> The project will cost you far more than you anticipate.
>
> The boat will not sail properly.
>
> >From many of your questions, it would appear there will be profound
> safety issues.
>
> I would join the voices of those who recommend spending $250 on a used
> Sunfish and getting out on the water next week. Sailing a Sunfish is
> much more fun than rebuilding a Rhodes. In fact, Sailing a Sunfish can
> be more fun than Sailing a Rhodes if you've never done either one before.
>
> If you have your heart set on owning a Rhodes (and I gather the choice
> was merely an opportunistic fluke) then buy one of the sailing used
> ones. Someone offered a $5,000 boat that looked like a great deal for
> someone like you. Borrow the money. Spend the same amount of time
> working in a Burger King as you would have to spend working on your
> Rhodes to pay off your loan. Start sailing next weekend. If you decide
> you want to punt, you will be able to sell the Rhodes for virtually the
> same amount you paid for it.
>
> This is the same advice given by Michael, Ed, and others. Many of the
> people supporting your efforts have vastly more experience than you. It
> is taking all of them longer, and costing them more money than they had
> anticipated.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> sugargroveumc at bright.net wrote:
>
> >Micheal ,
> >I do not think that youare bad guy for stating your opinion.
> >The previous owner assures me that ll of the hardware is there ant seems
to be in good shape. My friend, who is decent sailor, asures me that
everything is there and that the work is 90 percent cosmetic. So we will see
what we will see.
> >Alan
> >
> >
> >>From: michael meltzer
> >>Date: Thu Jul 28, 10:09 PM
> >>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat full of water, please help
> >>
> >>Now I am a bad guy for saying this might not be the right boat: let me
> >>try an story:
> >>back in high school a friend of mine(scott) had a shit blue 1976 ford
> >>pinto, went everywhere together, had a blast. now letts say I moved to
> >>ny and have never driven a car(alot of people in NY simply do not have
> >>the need), but now I get the urage to get a car. I run into scott and
> >>he tell me the shit blue 1976 ford pinto is in his back yard. It has
> >>weeds growing out of it of it for 3 years. Interior is gutted, sheet
> >>meatal is rusted, and so on. But I can have it for free by covering the
> >>towing charges.
> >>
> >>Now my wife hears of this: "but michael, I know you are handy, but you
> >>do not know the first thing about cars, and you execpt to complete
> >>this?(not to mention that I will get in it :-), She has a subjection," I
> >>know you can not aford a new pinto and have your hart set on a pinto,
> >>what about spending 4000 on one that runs and can be driven today, be
> >>handy and maintain it." .
> >>
> >>PS. thier really was a shit blue 1976 ford pinto own by scott, rummy had
> >>me thing about it because we all know what happen when you put gas in
> >>thier ass :-)
> >>back to the boat.
> >>
> >>1)You could find a good boat of that age for about 4000$ maybe less.
> >>2)you are not going to save anything, boat parts and doing the job right
> >>is not cheap, you spend 4000$ on supplys and parts.
> >>3)The hull and deck are not the marjor cost of the boat, it the hardware
> >>and labor of installing it
> >>4)deck work, means a delamuation, that big truoble
> >>5)thier is wood inside the fiberglass, transom being a trouble spot.
> >>6)mosly likly you missing hardware and the problem is you do not know it
> >>yet.
> >>7)let face it, you do not know what is right or wrong on the boat and
> >>open issues how thing are put back together(never seen it)
> >>8)a car restorer does not learn on weck, they start smaller projects and
> >>work thier way up
> >>9)be carful, the flip side is most people walk away from these jobs and
> >>hate sailing for it.
> >>10)restore after you learn to sail and forged your skill on the mantance
> >>wheel.
> >>11)this boat does not sound like it worth it
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Slim,
> >>>There are actually many Rhodies that keep gas in the lazaretto, they
just
> >>>won't admit it on the open list.
> >>>
> >>>Rummy
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