[Rhodes22-list] KA-boom room
Chris Geankoplis
napoli68 at charter.net
Sat Aug 20 12:57:00 EDT 2005
Todd,
I never felt attacked, your point was well thought out. No, I don't
teach economics, but did manage several multimillion dollor building
material units individually and as a district manager. The point about
other nations being hungry for business "the old fashion" way is true. I am
perhaps naive in thinking that there are still Mom & pop subcontractors who
might want to make the product. I am pretty sure Stan doesn't make the
canvas in house and the energy to order one from a secure source (if one
exists) is about equil to writing "5" in the quantity orderded box rather
than 1, especially if he were to have the source send it directly to the
buyer.
Again we all have our ideas but the one that really counts now is Stan's.
And I agree, a curse upon anyone's camel if someone tries to screw Stan out
of his economic dues. If he doesn't want to supply a part because he looses
money we can't expect him to do so, we must rely on our own ingenuity and
not impose on him.
Chris G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] KA-boom room
Chris,
I don't know if Stan makes the boom rooms in house or not but if so, you
will then be beating him out of money regardless whether you order 1 or 5.
And if Stan has to contract the work out, he has to stop making boats and
profits while he does all of the leg work to coordinate your orders. I
haven't the slightest idea how Stan runs his business, but he has told me in
e-mails that he is not in the parts business and that is not where he makes
his money.
You can use the "If vendor A buys 1000 widgets at $5 each" scenerio when
you teach high school. But Vendor A in this case is a short-handed mom and
pop operation and not going to sub-out for 1000 widgets. My point wasn't to
argue economics 101 (theory) and/or guess where Stan's break even point
would be for selling boom rooms at a discount. I am sure either way it
would be more than the three or four boom rooms you guys will order-- and
end up costing him money by wasting his time.
Re-read the last paragraph of my first post too. I am not going to go
over the whole intellectual property debate again either. My point was to
show the irony of how some choose to publicly defend Stan when it works in
their favor, and at other times attack list members (me) for trying to
honestly help other Rhodies out. I wasn't questioning your intentions and my
post wasn't directed at you. I know you were trying to figure out how to
make this a win-win deal. I was vague and did not include anyone's name
because my post wasn't meant as a personal attack on you or anyone else. It
was one of those ...I am scratching my head and wondering comments....
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: @SPAM++++ [Rhodes22-list] KA-boom room
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:25:12 -0700
>
> Todd,
> You missed the point! If Stan can have one widget made at a cost
of
> $100 and there is a 50% markup he makes $50. If his sub contractor is
> willing to make 5 of them for 90$ a piece because there are 5 of us who
want
> one Stan makes $45 each. Times 5. If nothing else, if the price for a
> widget is 150 retail then Stan does even better. By coordinating our
> ordering we make it a more profitable transaction for him and his
> subcontractor.
> Chris G.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:15 PM
> Subject: @SPAM++++ [Rhodes22-list] KA-boom room
>
>
>
>
> I have been following this boom room thread and scratching my head.
Stan
> wrote to the list for ideas because his business is hurting right now.
Then
> this thread about the boom rooms started up. Maybe if we all get together
> and order boom rooms....we can beat Stan down on his price?!?! HUH?? A
> "volume discount" from a one-off custom builder?
>
> Better yet, why don't we ask Alex; a fellow businessman and (I think)
> friend of Stan's to cut him out of the picture altogether?!? My guess is
> that Alex is ignoring purposely request...but thats just my guess (I
cant't
> speak for anyone else...especially Mr Alex).
>
> I measured a old design Triad trailer and posted the drawings on the
> list. I was publicly berated for violating Stan's intellectual property
> rights.... but now my berater is advocating that Rhodies collectively join
> to get Stan to give a "volume discount"....or better yet, have someone
else
> make a knock-off boom room and take bread off of Stan's table completely.
> Maybe I am missing something here.
>
> Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: @CHECK Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom room
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:40:31 -0400
>
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > They ain't cheap. Too much detail work and a lot of canvas. I
> > assume you have the Pop-Top Enclosure. I tried to find out if Alex
> > and Pamela had an interest in taking a crack at this, but Alex
> > never replied. I'm sure we can drive down the price if a bunch of
> > us order at the same time, but I doubt we can drive down the price
> > very far. On the other hand, I doubt they will ever be available
> > in the future at the price we will pay.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > Bob Keller wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in exploring the boom room, but the last time I
> > > asked about it (several years) it was pretty expensive and not
> > > readily available. Looking at an alternative designed by Rummy
> > > himself, but before deciding would like to know the latest with
> > > Boom Room design, availability and pricing. Will be moving the
> > > Yankee Clipper from the comfortable confines of my own dock on
> > > Lake Hartwell to a marina in the Savannah area next spring, so I
> > > am planning ahead.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Bob K
> > > Yankee Clipper
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: @CHECK Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom room
> > >> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:07:10 -0400
> > >>
> > >> Chris,
> > >>
> > >> I'm with you. Ed notwithstanding, if enough people place orders
> > >> Stan will work out some more wrinkles. I do plan to order, and
> > >> will work with you, Stan, and anyone else who wants to play.
> > >>
> > >> Bill Effros
> > >>
> > >> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hey Bill,
> > >>> Maybe Stan will give us a volume Discount as the Boomroom
> is
> > >>> supposed to be my Christmass present. Let me know so we can
> > >>> co-ordinate our
> > >>> orders. Anyone out there who is thinking about a boomroom or Poptop
> > >>> enclosure let us know, it is always cheaper to manufacture and
> purchase in
> > >>> volume, right Stan?
> > >>> Chris Geankoplis
> > >>> S/V Enosis
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:05 AM
> > >>> Subject: @CHECK Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom room
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> John,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The pop-top enclosure is different from the Boom Room. The Pop-Top
> > >>>> enclosure is an elegant addition to the boat. Many people have
them,
> > >>>> and everyone raves about them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The Boom-Room is still in the prototype stage. Many people have
> them,
> > >>>> but most are different. The concept is elegant, but Stan has not
> been
> > >>>> satisfied with his engineering to date. He feels there is too much
> > >>>> stuff required to hold it up compared to the number of uses you are
> > >>>> likely to get from actually deploying it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On my Pop-Top Enclosure there is a Velcro strip at the stern end
> where
> > >>>> the Pop-Top enclosure is supposed to attach to the Boom Room
> enclosure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have attached pictures of Slim's Boom Room and Roger's Boom Room.
> > >>>> Both are different from Stan's Boom Room. I believe Stan now makes
> them
> > >>>> differently from the way it is shown on his web site.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I plan to get a Boom Room this winter (Ed, I'll need it for the
Keys)
> > >>>> and that will force Stan to think about it again. Like Mary Lou, I
> use
> > >>>> my Pop-Top Enclosure all the time, and just love it. It coverts
the
> > >>>> cabin into a nicer stateroom than I have slept in in much larger
> boats.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The only problem with the Pop-Top enclosure is that when you are
> using
> > >>>> the cabin to sleep in, you can't use if for much else. I
anticipate
> > >>>> that adding the Boom Room will be like adding a bedroom to my
house.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bill Effros
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> john steadham wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Does the boom room cover the poptop or is that a different item?
> Does
> > >>>>> anybody have pictures of the r22 with the boom room up?
> > >>>>> __________________________________________________
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > >>> ----
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Name: Slim's Boom Room.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 85243 bytes Desc:
> not
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Url:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200508/17/SlimsBoomRoom.jpg
> -
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > >>> ----
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Name: Roger's Boom Room.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1854402 bytes
> Desc: not
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Url:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
>
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200508/17/RogersBoomRoom.jpg
> -
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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