[Rhodes22-list] CDI furler

[Peter Thorn]

Dave,

I had a similar experience changing headsails with the CDI in a hurricane
remnant blowing over 20 at the dock.  Too much friction!  When the mast and
furler were next down, I soaked the CDI flexible plastic luff, the halyard
and especially the head turning fitting in Sailkote lubricant.  That helped
immensely (and I wouldn't be surprised if the CDI directions called for it).
I would imagine there are also better line choices than the cored cover that
comes with the CDI, but haven't investigated this yet.

PT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
To: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed


> Ron,
>
> Thanks for the info.  I've been looking at the UPS or equivalent, also the
> vertical battens. Does that increase main area much?
>
> Also, changing headsails in the CDI furler is highly overated especially
in
> high winds.  The internal halyard ( at least mine) has a lot of friction
> making raising the sail and making off the halyard and tack a fun
procedure
> even on the hard let alone on the water.
>
> Dave
> David Walker
> David Walker Photography
> davidwalkerphotography.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ronald Lipton" <rlipton at earthlink.net>
> To: "David Walker" <dwalker at alum.mit.edu>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed
>
>
> > David,
> >
> >    Your comments are pretty much on the mark.  The 175 does have some
> > failings, especially in extreme (high or low) winds.  You can do several
> > things that will help (and cost money)
> > - With the CDI furler you can switch to a smaller jib in high winds.  I
> have
> > the GB furler so my only choice is to furl and go to the inboard tracks.
> > - Several boats have the UPS sail, which is made of light cloth, can be
> > furled,
> > and is carried behind the 175.  I have only used it a few times so far,
> but
> > it is
> > the clear choice in light winds.
> > - I replaced my old IMF main with a slightly hurricane damaged vertical
> > batten sail
> >  I bought. I find that the boat is easier to balance with this sail and
> the
> > main has
> > increased drive.  It makes a real difference.
> >
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed
> >
> >
> > > Phyllis,
> > >
> > > I've been watching these emails go by but have not had the time to
> > > respond.
> > > I sailed my recycled Rhodes for 2 seasons with a traditional main and
a
> > > 135
> > > genoa, and then traded with stan for an IMF with 175 on a CDI furler.
> > > (BTW - my best research at the time - Stan wasn't too much help as the
> > > standard masts are old- was that if you switch masts will need to
> replace
> > > the standing rigging as the masts are not the same height)
> > >
> > > My experience is that the standard main and 135 sailed a little faster
> and
> > > pointed higher.  With the IMF rig most of the power comes from the big
> > > genoa
> > > and the main is basically balancing the sail plan as in the mizzen of
a
> > > ketch or yawl.  I reef the genoa first then reduce the main to keep
> > > balance.
> > > My experience is the boat will not sail well at all with just the main
> out
> > > and will not tack.
> > >
> > > There are three problems to this:  1) the big genoa does not sheet in
> > > close
> > > enough to point that well.  It is worse when reefed.  2) the big genoa
> is
> > > made of relatively heavy material and does not perform well in light
> wind
> > > aft of the beam due to it weight.  3)  When sailing in high winds in a
> > > small
> > > keel boat, it is usual to ease the mainsheet in gusts to keep the hull
> on
> > > its lines.  With the already small main reefed, you don't have much to
> > > dump
> > > and you need to keep a fair amount of jib out for speed.
> > >
> > > Is all this bad? No just different.  Would I go back to a standard
main?
> > > No.  In fact the IMF has been keeping me from seriously looking for a
> boat
> > > in the 28-30' range.  For my sailing, the absolute ease of sail
handling
> > > makes up for a few more tacks going up wind, and when the J24's pass
me
> I
> > > take solace that when they are furling and covering mains and bagging
> > > jibs,
> > > I'll be relaxing in the cockpit or already on the lauch heading for a
> > > restaurant.
> > > David Walker
> > > S/V Windspept
> > > Marblehead  MA
> > >
> > > David Walker Photography
> > > davidwalkerphotography.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "P&M Beals" <beals at rci.rutgers.edu>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed
> > >
> > >
> > >> HI.
> > >>
> > >> It's not speed so much that I care about it's getting so I feel my
> vessel
> > >> responds well in different conditions.
> > >>
> > >> I think I am making progress...I read your post, Bill, from 3/04 with
> > > Craig
> > >> Lowe's tip to help me locate it, on tacking, and tacking when sailing
> in
> > >> stronger winds...
> > >>
> > >> I also hope to still connect with Jay Friedland for a Sept. sail on a
> > >> good
> > >> strong windy day... without my 10 yr old daughter worried about too
> much
> > >> wind, too much heeling, and see if he has any pointers for us...
> > >>
> > >> I believe a good part of my issue has to do with adjusting my sailing
> > >> technique to this boat...so I am not faulting the boat...or the IMF
for
> > > that
> > >> matter...I grew up sailing a vessel that would come about on a
> dime...as
> > > the
> > >> saying goes...it sailed so close to the wind that other captains on
> other
> > >> sailboats could not believe it, and yes, it was fast, very fast, and
it
> > >> could sail with only a breath of wind...a gaff rigged 36 footer...no
> > > motor.
> > >>
> > >> but hey, that was that boat, and now I am enjoying our R-22... I am
> > >> interested  to just compare sailing with the traditional mainsail vs.
> the
> > >> IMF....that is why the fact that  I have an R-22 traditional mainsail
> > >> neighbor now at my anchorage, but he happens to be kind of a solitary
> > > soul,
> > >> and did not extend an offer to have me sail on his boat, is a little
> > >> disappointing...
> > >>
> > >> The thought has come to me, that with my boat came a slightly worn
> > >> traditional mainsail...I could buy from Stan a mast for the
traditional
> > >> main, keep the IMF...and do some sailing with the traditional
> > > mainsail...I'm
> > >> not convinced I should give up the IMF too quickly  here...
> > >>
> > >> but buying a mast  probably is not a cheap item either...I am more
> > >> interested in getting the motor lift to help me get our 9.9  yamaha 4
> > > stroke
> > >> easily out of the water...
> > >>
> > >> Phyllis
> > >> Whisper
> > >> Keyport
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> > >> > Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> > Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:03:24 -0400
> > >> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Main Sail Speed
> > >> >
> > >> > Phyllis,
> > >> >
> > >> > I still don't know if boats sail measurably faster with traditional
> > >> > sails than IMF, but I've been working with my IMF to see how fast
it
> > >> > will sail.  Generally I get most of the drive out of the head sail,
> and
> > >> > use the main sail primarily to keep the boat balanced.  Recently
I've
> > >> > been sailing with a full main sail and storm sail sized jib to try
to
> > >> > determine the maximum speed I can get out of main sail alone.  To
> date
> > >> > the best I have done is 4.2 kts sustained on main sail alone.
> > >> >
> > >> > What is the best speed you can get out of just your main sail?
What
> is
> > >> > the best speed people with traditional main sails can get out of
> their
> > >> > main sails alone?
> > >> >
> > >> > If the traditional people can get significantly higher boat speeds
> out
> > >> > of just their main sails, I think that would answer some of your
> > > questions.
> > >> >
> > >> > Rummy, are you in this game?  Rummy has a battened IMF.  Does he
get
> > >> > more boat speed out of his main sail than non-battened IMF people?
> > >> >
> > >> > I do not set my 4.2 kts. as the gold standard, just as the starting
> > >> > point.  I would expect to be able to get 5 kts. under the right
> > >> > conditions, but I doubt that I could get anywhere near 6.25 under
IMF
> > >> > main sail alone.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill Effros
> > >> >
> > >> > P&M Beals wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hello.  I was just going through email and saw this note...
> > >> >> sounds great.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> May I ask do you have a traditional mainsail or the IMF?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I bought a 1986 last summer with IMF, and I just feel that this
boat
> > > will
> > >> >> sail even better with a traditional mainsail...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I hope you  can give me a reply.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Phyllis Beals
> > >> >> Whisper
> > >> >> Keyport, NJ
> > >> >>
> > >> >> By the way, where on the Hudson do you sail?
> > >> >> Haverstraw Bay?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I used to sail out of  Catskill Creek, Catskill on my father's
gaff
> > > rigged
> > >> >> wooden sloop...this smaller fiberglass boat is a new experience
for
> > >> >> me,
> > > but
> > >> >> I am trying to hang in there with it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks again.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> From: fnuttersny at aol.com
> > >> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:38:28 -0400
> > >> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] on ballanced boat
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> My 73 R22 is bare bones compared to most others on the list.  Two
> > > batteries
> > >> >>> located under the companion way and a 9.5 evinrud in the
lazzarete
> > > engine
> > >> >>> well pretty much makes up my boat.  I basically set her up as a
> very
> > >> >>> comfortable day sailer. In this configuration the boat is
slightly
> > > stern
> > >> >>> heavy.  I recently replaced the centerboard with a custom
composit
> > > airfoil
> > >> >>> shaped board with no leading and trailing(the board has the same
> > >> >>> width
> > > over
> > >> >>> its length) edge taper and 25# of bronze makingup the tip of the
> > > board -the
> > >> >>> board dropes quickly-. I have a new rolly-tasker main and a new
> 150%
> > > head
> > >> >>> sail
> > >> >>> both hanked on..  I have to say that the boat performs fantastic.
> In
> > > 15 to
> > >> >>> 20
> > >> >>> mph wind and full sails there is almost no pressure on the
tiller.
> > > The boat
> > >> >>> seams to dig her nose slightly down and the stern comes up.  I
can
> > >> >>> set
> > > the
> > >> >>> rudder with the tiller tamer and have held my coarse for up to 45
> > >> >>> min.
> > > As
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> wind picks up I usually stand on the rail up by the mast and hang
> on
> > > to  the
> > >> >>> sta
> > >> >>> ys and just look down as the boat sails herself falling of
slightly
> > > then
> > >> >>> rounding up a little back an forth never more than a vew degrees
> > > either way.
> > >> >>> This is the first time I have sailed the boat with realy good
sails
> > > and
> > >> >>> centerboard  etc. and the difference is everything I hoped it
would
> > > be.  I
> > >> >>> believe this is a perfect boat for inland waters in my case the
> > >> >>> Hudson
> > >> >>> river.
> > >> >>> I had four adults on board recently in a steady 25 mph wind. We
sat
> > > four in
> > >> >>> a
> > >> >>> row and the boat sailed at maybe 5deg.  We flew across the river
> > > against a
> > >> >>> flood tide still very little pressure on the rudder and very very
> > > close to
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> wind.  My passengers thought I was brilliant the way I made the
> boat
> > > go
> > >> >>> exactly were I wanted it to go and in quick time .  Thanks to a
> great
> > > design
> > >> >>> and a vew up grades.
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