[Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Sat Aug 27 10:26:54 EDT 2005
Wally,
The beauty of the Aerobed is that it takes less time to set up and
deploy than the cushions, takes up considerably less storage space, and
is a thousand times more comfortable. It inflates in less than a
minute, and deflates in less than 10 seconds. It stores in a bag the
size of a sleeping bag.
I had one at home for overflow guests, and brought it to the boat to
test in the cockpit. I fell asleep on it in the middle of the day
because it was so comfortable. When I discovered I could inflate it in
the cabin, it never left the boat.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no magic in Chinese labor. If we can
find people in the United States who will make these items for our
boats, it appears we have buyers. Would Jenny be willing to sew up boom
rooms at $1000 a piece? How about Alan and his wife? Or Todd? Or Lou?
-- we have plenty of people on this list who seem to have these skills.
I do not--but I would gladly pay Americans if I could find them.
It seems to me the list got email from Pamela when she decided to drag
her old sewing machine out of the attic. Then she got a new
purpose-built sewing machine. Now she doesn't have the time to provide,
nor can we afford, her services. There may be a lesson here. But if we
can't entice people we know to provide these services, and Stan is
having more and more trouble coming up with reliable sources, it
behooves us to go out into the world to try to find them for Stan.
Bill Effros
Wally Buck wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I have homemade tarp/awning that takes care of dew. I have considered
> the aerobed idea in cockpit but would use an insert to support center
> rather than beanbag chair. I am not sure I really want to mess with
> pump and setting up and deflating bed every time. We usually sleep in
> cabin double with pop top up and rainfly from dome tent over poptop.
> Our routine usually involves me waking early and enjoying coffee in
> the cokpit while Jenny sleeps in. My cushions are not that comfortable
> for sitting. I solved the sleeping problem with a huge piece of memory
> foam cut out to fit in cabin berth.
>
> I am going to the attic and getting the sewing machine down. Jenny
> says she knows how to use it but some how in 22 years of marriage I
> have never seen it used .....anyway we are atarting with tiller cover
> and winch covers. Next will be a cabin hatch cover and then this
> winter we may try new cushions.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:51:53 -0400
>>
>> Wally,
>>
>> The only reason I want a Boom Room has to do with dew point issues.
>> Some nights the cockpit can get a quarter inch of dew, so I don't
>> dare sleep out all night.
>>
>> It seems to me, in your case, you could buy an Aerobed--full
>> size--and deploy it in the cockpit without the fill in cushions. If
>> you had bean bag chairs, like the ones mentioned in the previous
>> post, you could put them on the cabin floor under the Aerobed, to
>> help support the center.
>>
>> I will try this out the next time I go to my boat, and report back.
>> The Aerobed costs around $60. If the idea works, you could support
>> the center with anything that wouldn't pop the air bag.
>>
>> The Aerobed will change the life of anyone who enjoys sleeping on the
>> boat. It is huge by boating standards. It is as comfortable as your
>> bed at home. It is possible to deploy 2 of them.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
>>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired
>>> mark up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry
>>> large cost for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be
>>> quoted for different sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each. I have
>>> no idea who to go to for "quotes" in China but it sounds like there
>>> might be folks on this list that do.
>>>
>>> Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
>>> cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
>>> price locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely
>>> will look like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam
>>> and not pay shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but
>>> I don't want standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches
>>> of foam with 1 inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen
>>> cushions made this way and they are great for sleeping and sitting.
>>> I am still working on best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> Can you put numbers on your desires? I mean this quite seriously.
>>>> I know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.
>>>> At what price would you buy various items from Stan? Which items
>>>> would you be most interested in? What would you be willing to
>>>> pay? You will not be held to any of this--it is just part of an
>>>> exercise to see if what we all want can be done.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made
>>>>> boat parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to
>>>>> Stan the source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy
>>>>> "USA" but I have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
>>>>> goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
>>>>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
>>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
>>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is
>>>>> nice we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish. I am
>>>>> trying to decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps
>>>>> sell and use the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
>>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring
>>>>>> Chinese manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures,
>>>>>> Cockpit and Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the
>>>>>> little stuff the Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs
>>>>>> to manufacture in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has
>>>>>> either, however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like
>>>>>> the idea, Brad is not going to do it. Stan would make money on
>>>>>> every item made in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's
>>>>>> what he'll get. There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
>>>>>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad can set up
>>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners
>>>>>> buy the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stan would have to provide the original patterns and
>>>>>> specifications, but that is all Stan would have to do. Brad
>>>>>> believes he can set up a reliable manufacturing operation in
>>>>>> China that will produce any of these products to Stan's
>>>>>> satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can get them produced in
>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms. Me, Chris, Dave,
>>>>>> Bruce, and maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be willing
>>>>>> to be the guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel? Bob,
>>>>>> if we could bring the price down, at what price would you be a
>>>>>> player?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF
>>>>>> sails, or cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for these
>>>>>> items that would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and
>>>>>> put it on the table?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>> (http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html). Is there something
>>>>>> you would actually buy if the price were lower? If so, what
>>>>>> would the price have to be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time
>>>>>> to see if he can set up something like this. If you think this
>>>>>> is a terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where
>>>>>> we stand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.
>>>>>> It is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket
>>>>>> right away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.
>>>>>> It's a win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer
>>>>>> owns a Rhodes 22. There is nothing in this deal for him. He
>>>>>> will always make more money flying an airplane than getting
>>>>>> involved in a crazy sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing
>>>>>> scheme. He just happens to be in China right now, saw Stan's
>>>>>> Lament, and asked if there was anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Effros
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