[Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 27 13:02:07 EDT 2005 

Bill,

Tarp was purchased from Northern Tool per Roger's endorsement. It is cordura 
nylon (something like that) 8 X 10. It was $25 and is 3 years old and I 
would say it is in perfect shape. It shed rainwater quite well plus I 
sprayed it with some waterproofing stuff I use on my tents. I would say it 
eliminates 95% of dew in the cockpit. It is just a little short going aft 
stopping a couple of inches short of back stays. No coverage aft of back 
stays. I drape over boom and bungie all 4 corners. I use tent poles over 
boom for support; it looks like a covered wagon. The whole thing rigs in 
about 2 mintues. I have boom in highest position slightly raised so you can 
stand under tarp. If it is actually raining I slacken topping lift to help 
flow drip aft. I lash down if windy conditions. If real windy I don't use. 
This provides no bug protection. Bugs are not a problem for us. If they were 
I have thought of purchasing mosquito netting that is sold to drape over 
queen or king size bed. I think for 50 bucks i could find something to cover 
poptop and cockpit.

Wally

>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:07:06 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>We will be able to get what we are willing to pay for.  The question is, 
>what are we willing to pay for?  A Multilith is a printing press.  But if 
>someone says they need a printing press, the first thing you would want to 
>know is the quality of printing press they have in mind, and what they are 
>willing to pay.
>
>Your tarp is a "boom room".  I think I need more than that--but maybe not.  
>Maybe what I want costs more than I am willing to pay.  Maybe, for what it 
>costs, your tarp is exactly what I want.
>
>Please tell me more about your tarp.  What material is it made out of?  I 
>assume it is supported by the boom.  Does it tie down to something?  What?  
>Does some dew get into it?  How much?  What about bugs?  Do you raise your 
>boom with your topping lift when you are under your tarp?
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Wally Buck wrote:
>
>>MJM - I didn't mean to over simplify. Initial start up costs and limited 
>>volume doesn't allow the costs to be spread around to thousands or 
>>millions of buyers. That can be a problem. That is why I didn't name a 
>>price. I have a feeling once you determine all of the start up costs there 
>>will not be much savings.
>>
>>Not having the boat there creates issues but most of the stuff we are 
>>talking about is not that exacting. Once patterns and templates are 
>>developed producing boom room and pop top enclosures should not be that 
>>big of a deal. As always the devil is in the details.
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>>From: michael meltzer <michaelmeltzer at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>>><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>You guy are missing the bigest problem with offshore
>>>boat work, They do not have the boat!!!, You will send
>>>them spec's and return they will be expecting you to
>>>pay for, if something is off, your are stuck, the seat
>>>cushions are not to bad, the templet is pretty stright
>>>forward, but execpt that someone is going to "eat" the
>>>coast of a few rounds until they are right. Than a
>>>really problem keeping Quauiuily control up. CAD/CMA a
>>>real design to work from??? The boom room with be a
>>>nightmare with out a boat to work with. someone is
>>>going to eat alot of money before that one is right
>>>and than you beeter hope that who ever made it is
>>>still with the firm for the nrext order or prototype.
>>>The run quaniantys are to low to do the job right.
>>>-mjm, The problem is simple project managment.
>>>
>>>--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to
>>> > spend. You need to determine
>>> > production and shipping costs. From there add the
>>> > desired mark up. That is
>>> > the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large
>>> > cost for inventory. I
>>> > would suspect that prices could be quoted for
>>> > different sizes. Get quotes
>>> > for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to for
>>> > "quotes" in China but
>>> > it sounds like there might be folks on this list
>>> > that do.
>>> >
>>> > Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with
>>> > fill in. Also cabin
>>> > cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am
>>> > also getting price
>>> > locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the
>>> > most likely will look like
>>> > crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam
>>> > and not pay shipping.
>>> > Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I
>>> > don't want standard foam.
>>> > In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with
>>> > 1 inch of memory foam
>>> > glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this
>>> > way and they are great for
>>> > sleeping and sitting. I am still working on best
>>> > foam for cockpit (with fill
>>> > in).
>>> >
>>> > Wally
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>> > >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>> > >
>>> > >Wally,
>>> > >
>>> > >Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this
>>> > quite seriously.  I know
>>> > >you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair
>>> > to Stan.  At what price
>>> > >would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items
>>> > would you be most
>>> > >interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?
>>> > You will not be held to
>>> > >any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see
>>> > if what we all want can
>>> > >be done.
>>> > >
>>> > >Bill Effros
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >Wally Buck wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>If you are asking me if I have a problem
>>> > purchasing Chinese made boat
>>> > >>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send
>>> > payment to Stan the
>>> > >>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer
>>> > to buy "USA" but I have
>>> > >>owned many imported cars.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>You also asked if price is holding me back from
>>> > purchasing boat goodies
>>> > >>from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have
>>> > new cabin cushions, new
>>> > >>cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions,
>>> > pop-top enclosure, bimini. The
>>> > >>boom room really doesn't interest me. We overnight
>>> > quite a bit. If it is
>>> > >>stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice we like the
>>> > view from cockpit. We
>>> > >>also swim and fish.  I am trying to decide if I
>>> > should spend the money on
>>> > >>my R22 or perhaps sell and use the cash from all
>>> > of those upgrades for
>>> > >>.......
>>> > >>
>>> > >>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as
>>> > well.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Wally
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>> > >>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > >>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> > >>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>> > >>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our
>>> > discussion of boom rooms,
>>> > >>>etc. which he has been following while
>>> > vacationing in China.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in
>>> > his exploring Chinese
>>> > >>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top
>>> > Enclosures, Cockpit and Cabin
>>> > >>>Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the
>>> > little stuff the Chinese can
>>> > >>>make for a fraction of what it costs to
>>> > manufacture in the US.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't
>>> > think Brad has either,
>>> > >>>however it goes without saying that if Stan
>>> > doesn't like the idea, Brad
>>> > >>>is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on
>>> > every item made in
>>> > >>>China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's
>>> > what he'll get.  There
>>> > >>>will be no negotiation on this.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants
>>> > to know how the
>>> > >>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad
>>> > can set up
>>> > >>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval,
>>> > would Rhodes owners buy the
>>> > >>>Chinese made products?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns
>>> > and specifications, but
>>> > >>>that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes
>>> > he can set up a
>>> > >>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that
>>> > will produce any of these
>>> > >>>products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost
>>> > than Stan can get them
>>> > >>>produced in the US.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me,
>>> > Chris, Dave, Bruce, and
>>> > >>>maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be
>>> > willing to be the guinea pig
>>> > >>>on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we
>>> > could bring the price
>>> > >>>down, at what price would you be a player?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or
>>> > Battened IMF sails, or
>>> > >>>cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for
>>> > these items that would
>>> > >>>prompt you to take money out of your pocket and
>>> > put it on the table?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>> > >>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is
>>> > there something you
>>> > >>>would actually buy if the price were lower?  If
>>> > so, what would the price
>>> > >>>have to be?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't
>>> > have much time to see if
>>> > >>>he can set up something like this.  If you think
>>> > this is a terrible idea,
>>> > >>>please speak up quickly so we all know where we
>>> > stand.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can
>>> > actually do it.  It is
>>> > >>>something we can all do to put more money in
>>> > Stan's pocket right away,
>>> > >>>while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.
>>> >  It's a win-win...if
>>> > >>>Brad can pull it off.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot
>>> > who no longer owns a
>>> > >>>Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for
>>> > him.  He will always make
>>> > >>>more money flying an airplane than getting
>>> > involved in a crazy sailboat
>>> > >>>spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He
>>> > just happens to be in China
>>> > >>>right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there
>>> > was anything he could do
>>> > >>>to help.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Bill Effros
>>> >
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