[Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
Wally Buck
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 28 09:50:34 EDT 2005
Thanks Bill. I know everyone likes closed cell foam in cockpit but I think
it is too hard. The cushions will be stored in cabin so I am going for
comfort. The Pearson 35 we recently cruised on had really nice cushions (not
closed cell) with breathable fabric and mesh bottom. I spent 11 days on that
boat and those cushions were very nice. I know what you mean about sliding
cushions.
You getting out much?
Wally
>From: "William E. Wickman" <wewickman at duke-energy.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:15:12 -0500
>
>
> Wally,
>
> I have the GB cockpit cushions, probably what = Stan was making around
> 1999 or 2000. They are closd cell foam with a&= nbsp;nylon mesh
> covering. They could actually be used as floats in th= e water if you
> were so inclined. They are comfortable but fairly firm= . They tend
> to slide when the wind is piping up so I sometimes don't = put them
> out if it is really windy. I remember reading on earlier pos= ts (or
> maybe the FAQ) that some owners attach velcro or something to keep t
>hem from sliding. I find them comfortable enough for my purposes,
> but= they are not lounge chairs.
>
>
>
> Bill E,
>
> W= hat size/style aerobed do you have. I found their web site and
> there = appears to be a number of models. Also, what model of folding
> seat di= d you buy from West Marine?
>
>
>
> Bill Wickman<= /DIV>
>
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> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> Sent by: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> Date: 08/27/2005 09:26AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
> Wally,
> The beauty of the Aerobed is that it takes le= ss time to set up and
> deploy than the cushions, takes up considerably l= ess storage space,
> and
> is a thousand times more comfortable. It = inflates in less than a
> minute, and deflates in less than 10 seconds. &= nbsp;It stores in a
> bag the
> size of a sleeping bag.
> I had one a= t home for overflow guests, and brought it to the boat to
> test in the c= ockpit. I fell asleep on it in the middle of the day
> because it w= as so comfortable. When I discovered I could inflate it
> in
> the ca= bin, it never left the boat.
> As far as I'm concerned, there is no ma= gic in Chinese labor. If we
> can
> find people in the United States = who will make these items for our
> boats, it appears we have buyers. &nb= sp;Would Jenny be willing to
> sew up boom
> rooms at $1000 a piece? = How about Alan and his wife? Or Todd? Or
> Lou?
> -- we have pl= enty of people on this list who seem to have these
> skills.
> I do n= ot--but I would gladly pay Americans if I could find them.
> It seems = to me the list got email from Pamela when she decided to
> drag
> her old s= ewing machine out of the attic. Then she got a new
> purpose-built = sewing machine. Now she doesn't have the time to
> provide,
> nor can= we afford, her services. There may be a lesson here. But if
> we can't entice people we know to provide these services, and Stan is
> having more and more trouble coming up with reliable sources, it
> behoo= ves us to go out into the world to try to find them for Stan.
> Bill E= ffros
> Wally Buck wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> >= ; I have homemade tarp/awning that takes care of dew. I have
> considered
> > the aerobed idea in cockpit but would use an insert to support
> center > rather than beanbag chair. I am not sure I really want to
>mess wi th
> > pump and setting up and deflating bed every time. We usually sl= eep
> in
> > cabin double with pop top up and rainfly from dome tent ove= r
> poptop.
> > Our routine usually involves me waking early and enjoyin= g coffee
> in
> > the cokpit while Jenny sleeps in. My cushions are not = that
> comfortable
> > for sitting. I solved the sleeping problem with a= huge piece of
> memory
> > foam cut out to fit in cabin berth.
> ><= BR>> I am going to the attic and getting the sewing machine down.
> Jenny > says she knows how to use it but some how in 22 years of
>marriage I
> > have never seen it used .....anyway we are atarting with tiller
>cover
> > and winch covers. Next will be a cabin hatch cover and then = this
> > winter we may try new cushions.
> >
> > Wally
> > >
> >
> >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> &= gt;> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>= ;
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>= ;
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
> >> Date= : Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:51:53 -0400
> >>
> >> Wally,
> >>= ;
> >> The only reason I want a Boom Room has to do with dew point i
>ssues.
> >> Some nights the cockpit can get a quarter inch of= dew, so I don't
> >> dare sleep out all night.
> >>
> >= > It seems to me, in your case, you could buy an Aerobed--full
> >&= gt; size--and deploy it in the cockpit without the fill in
> cushions. = If
> >> you had bean bag chairs, like the ones mentioned in the pre= vious
> >> post, you could put them on the cabin floor under the Ae= robed, to
> >> help support the center.
> >>
> >> I w= ill try this out the next time I go to my boat, and report
> back.
> = >> The Aerobed costs around $60. If the idea works, you could s
>upport
> >> the center with anything that wouldn't pop the air bag. >>
> >> The Aerobed will change the life of anyone who enj= oys sleeping on
> the
> >> boat. It is huge by boating standard= s. It is as comfortable as
> your
> >> bed at home. It is= possible to deploy 2 of them.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >&= gt;
> >>
> >>
> >> Wally Buck wrote:
> >>
> &g= t;>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You
> need t= o
> >>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add = the
> desired
> >>> mark up. That is the price. I am sure GB does = not want to carry
> >>> large cost for inventory. I would suspec= t that prices could be
> >>> quoted for different sizes. Get quo= tes for 5, 10 25, each. I
> have
> >>> no idea who to go to = for "quotes" in China but it sounds like
> there
> >>> might be fo= lks on this list that do.
> >>>
> >>> Initially I would= want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also
> cabin
> >>> cushio= ns. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
> >>> = price locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most
> likely
> >= >> will look like crap. Having them done locally means I can test
> foa= m
> >>> and not pay shipping. Ordering from GB means they will f= it right
> but
> >>> I don't want standard foam. In the cabin I wa= nt to go with 3
> inches
> >>> of foam with 1 inch of memory foam = glued on top side. I have
> seen
> >>> cushions made this way and = they are great for sleeping and
> sitting.
> >>> I am still workin= g on best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
> >>>
> >>> = Wally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Bill Effros= <bill at effros.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail l= ist <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 2= 2 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject:= Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
> >>>> Date: Wed, 24 = Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>> Wally,
> &= gt;>>>
> >>>> Can you put numbers on your desires? &n= bsp;I mean this quite
> seriously.
> >>>> I know you use = your boat, and I know you want to be fair to
> Stan.
> >>>&g= t; At what price would you buy various items from Stan? Which
> items <= BR>>>>> would you be most interested in? What would you b= e
> willing to
> >>>> pay? You will not be held to any of= this--it is just part of an
> >>>> exercise to see if what w= e all want can be done.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Effros >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>= ;> Wally Buck wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you = are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese
> made
> >>>&= gt;> boat parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send
> payment to >>>>> Stan the source doesn't concern me too much. I would
>prefer to buy
> >>>>> "USA" but I have owned many importe= d cars.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You also asked if p= rice is holding me back from purchasing
> boat
> >>>>> goodi= es from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new
> cabin
> >>&= gt;>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions,
> pop-t= op
> >>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't= interest me. We
> >>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is s= tormy we go in cabin. If it
> is
> >>>>> nice we like the vi= ew from cockpit. We also swim and fish. I
> am
> >>>>>= trying to decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or
> perhaps
> >= >>>> sell and use the cash from all of those upgrades for .....= ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I forgot, add the batten= ed IMF to my wish list as well.
> >>>>>
> >>&g= t;>> Wally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: = Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >>>>>> Reply-To: T= he Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>&g= t;>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>&= gt;>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
> >>>>= ;>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our=
>discussion of
> boom
> >>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has b= een following while vacationing in
> China.
> >>>>>>
> &g= t;>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his e
>xploring
> >>>>>> Chinese manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sa= ils, Pop-Top Enclosures,
> >>>>>> Cockpit and Cabin Cus= hions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all
> the
> >>>>>> litt= le stuff the Chinese can make for a fraction of what it
> costs
> >>&= gt;>>> to manufacture in the US.
> >>>>>>
> &g= t;>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think = Brad
> has
> >>>>>> either, however it goes without sayin= g that if Stan doesn't
> like
> >>>>>> the idea, Brad is = not going to do it. Stan would make money
> on
> >>>>>= > every item made in China, and whatever he says is his cut,
> that's
> = >>>>>> what he'll get. There will be no negotiation= on this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But befor= e he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how
> the
> >>>&g= t;>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad can set
> u= p
> >>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval,= would Rhodes
> owners
> >>>>>> buy the Chinese made prod= ucts?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Stan would ha= ve to provide the original patterns and
> >>>>>> specif= ications, but that is all Stan would have to do. Brad
> >>>= ;>>> believes he can set up a reliable manufacturing operation in
> >>>>>> China that will produce any of these products = to Stan's
> >>>>>> satisfaction at a lower cost than St= an can get them produced
> in
> >>>>>> the US.
> >>= ;>>>>
> >>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest= in Boom Rooms. Me, Chris, Dave,
> >>>>>> Bruce, = and maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be
> willing
> >= >>>>> to be the guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you f= eel?
> Bob,
> >>>>>> if we could bring the price do= wn, at what price would you be
> a
> >>>>>> player?
> &g= t;>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about people who wa= nt Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened
> IMF
> >>>>>> sails, = or cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for
> these
> >>&= gt;>>> items that would prompt you to take money out of your
> pocke= t and
> >>>>>> put it on the table?
> >>>>= >>
> >>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his w= eb site
> >>>>>> ([1]http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.= html). Is there
> something
> >>>>>> you would = actually buy if the price were lower? If so, what
> >>>>= ;>> would the price have to be?
> >>>>>>
> >&g= t;>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have mu
>ch time
> >>>>>> to see if he can set up something like= this. If you think
> this
> >>>>>> is a terrible i= dea, please speak up quickly so we all know
> where
> >>>>>&= gt; we stand.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I thi= nk this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do
> it.
> >&g= t;>>>> It is something we can all do to put more money in Stan'
>s pocket
> >>>>>> right away, while buying parts for ou= r boats at a lower cost.
>
> >>>>>> It's a win-win.= ..if Brad can pull it off.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>&= gt;> Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no
> longer >>>>>> owns a Rhodes 22. There is nothing in t= his deal for
>him. He
> >>>>>> will always make mo= re money flying an airplane than getting
> >>>>>> invol= ved in a crazy sailboat spare parts Chinese
> manufacturing
> >>>&= gt;>> scheme. He just happens to be in China right now, saw
> Sta= n's
> >>>>>> Lament, and asked if there was anything he= could do to help.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> = Bill Effros
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