[Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Tue Dec 20 13:38:17 EST 2005
Just brain-storming a bit here--how about a high-season/off-season sliding
scale?
Slim
On 12/20/05 1:06 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Slim,
>
> Can't do it. Won't work.
>
> If you would like to try to organize a syndicate around a lower rental
> price, I'm in!
>
> The problem is that everyone wants the boat at the same time--revolving
> around school vacations. Then there are a few people who will take the
> boat in other times, but they won't want to do this every year.
>
> If you can rent the boat 12 weeks a year/every year you're lucky. But
> if you take in less than $3000 a year you won't be able to cover your nut.
>
> Remember, we are working on the premise that the boat has no cost, and
> that whoever has to do all the work of holding things together and
> paying the bills is unpaid.
>
> My guess is that we can't find a solid $3000 a year worth of rentals no
> matter how we price the boat.
>
> How many dollars a year would you commit to? How many weeks would you
> want the boat for that commitment? When would those weeks be?
>
> Bill Effros
>
> Slim wrote:
>
>> $250 is too high. Lower the price and we'd get more people involved.
>> Slim
>>
>> On 12/20/05 9:54 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Before we spend a whole lot of time cutting up the pie, let's see if
>>> we've got a pie.
>>>
>>> If people want a boat available in Florida at $250 a week, we can put
>>> one there. If we can rent it out for 12 weeks a year, we can keep it
>>> there. Sweat equity is acceptable payment. The Syndicate only looks to
>>> break even; not make a profit. We are open to people moving the boat
>>> from its Florida base, provided it is returned at some point.
>>>
>>> How many people on this list are prepared to commit to using the boat in
>>> the future? For how long? When?
>>>
>>> Your response to these questions will determine whether or not there is
>>> any point to working out the rest of the details.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> bill a quick subjection, you are going to need some
>>>> form an corperation or an LLC for this, it procection
>>>> for the share owners so no one can come after them for
>>>> more than thier investment. we should have a lawwer on
>>>> the list(or do we have to sign steve back up) that can
>>>> be voliltered for it :-), FWIT, a benifit to the share
>>>> owners is they can "use" any unrented time up to
>>>> double thier share as advaiable, please play attention
>>>> to "exit" clause now, in clear full/terms, including
>>>> unable to conatct. What happens is some is unhappy,
>>>> losses intrest, dies, heath etc, or worse yet get
>>>> pissed at the other members...... get is cleaned up
>>>> upfrount instead with the "last man standing" years
>>>> from now. Could be a "downer" to debate on the list so
>>>> use some tack. -mjm
>>>>
>>>> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understood what you meant, I just wanted everyone
>>>>> else to understand
>>>>> that while I think I can nail down the logistics for
>>>>> a single home port,
>>>>> I can't recover the boat after one-way trips.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a group of people wants to take the boat to the
>>>>> Bahamas, have another
>>>>> group sail it around there for a while, and have a
>>>>> third group return
>>>>> it--why not? As long as it gets back to home base
>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the boat is useful for Stan and Elton, why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone wants to take the boat to distant waters
>>>>> because a group
>>>>> wants to sail somewhere, why not? How about Maine
>>>>> in the Summer? I
>>>>> know how to store it in Greenwich for a lot less
>>>>> than I know how to
>>>>> store it in Miami.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone pitches in with their knowledge. Some
>>>>> people can provide some
>>>>> things, some can provide others. We'll need all
>>>>> kinds of help to keep
>>>>> it rolling. As long as people want to keep using
>>>>> it, and are willing to
>>>>> pay a modest use fee, we can afford to keep it. The
>>>>> membership of the
>>>>> Syndicate can keep changing. If it gets to be a
>>>>> pain, and no one is
>>>>> willing to do what has to be done, we sell it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it could be a lot of fun, and good for
>>>>> everyone. It appears
>>>>> that there are enough people who agree with me so
>>>>> that we can try it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've got a lot of experience in outfitting boats
>>>>> for more than day
>>>>> sailing, and we'll be listening to all of your
>>>>> ideas. Since we all own
>>>>> the boat, hopefully everyone will leave the boat a
>>>>> little better than it
>>>>> was when he or she got it.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Bill,
>>>>>> Getting the boat to Miami would be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> no problem, I just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> thought that some of the guys might want to sail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> the Bahamas without making
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 crossings. No problem!
>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're in. You've got to get it back to Miami.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> How long would such a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> trip take? What's the insurance deal? The Conch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Cruisers Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> mentioned seem to be a group of MacGregor owners
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> taking long cruises
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> together. If you set something up for the Summer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> of 07 you might get a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> group of people interested in taking their own
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> boats with you on a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> cruise they would never take by themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey yoos guys,
>>>>>>>> Did somebody say
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Syndicate? Back in Napoli we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> couple of syndicates 'till Guido went up da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> river. So you can count me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will commit to the rental time even if I can't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> use it till next summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be my intention to sail the boat over to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the Bahamas for a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of weeks or so and I would certainly be willing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> to put some sweat equity
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the boat to prepare it for the trip in the summer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> of 2007. If anybody
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wanted to pick up the boat at the end of my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> "charter" in the Bahamas that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> might work out well also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "R22 List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there is, or is there ain't a real interest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> in putting together a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Florida Syndicate for Brad's boat?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The idea is to fix up a boat so it's both
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> sailable and saleable, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leave it in Miami for use by Syndicate members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The boat would rent out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for roughly $250 a week--syndicate members get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> first choice on dates,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> others could rent on an as-available basis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> People who want to see or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> try a Rhodes-22 could be directed to the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Syndicate boat, and could rent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it if available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If not enough people continue to rent the boat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> over the years, and it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doesn't cover its nut, or just becomes a pain,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the Syndicate sells the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> boat and splits the profit. Syndicate members
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> have first shot at buying
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the boat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad already has $1250 in this deal. I said I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> was good for $500 worth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of rental. Is anyone else seriously interested?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can become a syndicate member by committing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> to a minimum of 1 week
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of rental time, paid in advance..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad is slightly over committed. He's in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> air right now, trying to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> earn enough money to finance all the adventures
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> he gets himself into. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> told him I would try to sort out the Syndicate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> deal for him before he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> returns from his current trip. If too few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> people are interested, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> suspect the boat will be parted out. Brad wants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the IMF. The hull is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> probably worth more to Stan than to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Bud did legwork, he's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> entitled to first shot at remaining parts. If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> anyone else has an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interest in parts, please post the interest to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the list, along with how
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> much the parts are worth to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's time to either fish or cut bait. Please
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> let us all know, on-list,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> where you stand so we can sort this out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are Bud's boat Pictures:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> === message truncated ===
>>>>
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