[Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate

Arthur H. Czerwonky czerwonky at earthlink.net
Tue Dec 20 20:08:48 EST 2005 

Luis,
Does the boat come with a trailer, and what condition is it in?  I suspect the boat would be in better circumstances with your oversight and attention, although you would have much to do getting it ready for first use in the summer.  What would the mast and other equipment cost?
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Luis Guzman <trpclman at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 20, 2005 6:36 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
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>Guys,
>   
>  Stop arguing about a place to keek the boat.  Like I said before, Bradenton (Florida) is the best place.
>   
>  I can keep the boat ready on the trailer whenever anybody needs it, and there will not be storage fees. The syndicate will cover the costs of maintenance and insurance.
>   
>  If you don't want to come to Bradenton for the boat, I'll be willing to deliver the boat anywhere in Florida for a fee.
>   
>  All I'm interested is using the boat whenever is sitting iddle or have a minimum of 4 shares.
>   
>  Luis
>   
>  S/V PARADISE
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>"William E. Wickman" <wewickman at duke-energy.com> wrote:
>  
>Bill,
>I don't know if I would be a syndicated owner, but would certainly pay for
>a week next summer, and perhaps the summer after that, and the summer after
>that, and the summer after that....
>
>Bill Wickman
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>Bill Effros 
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>Syndicate 
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>Bill,
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>Right now, I'm in for $500 just to get the project off the ground.
>There is another $500 committed back-channel for the same purpose.
>Let's say the value of Slim's "maybe" is $250. If we could put a boat
>in place by May (there is no way it could be this boat, but since I'm
>taking my boat down by February, I could leave it there for you and
>figure out how I'll get it back to Greenwich after you're done with
>it...) If we could put a boat in place by May, would you commit to a
>rental? For how long? What dates?
>
>Nothing set in stone, here. We would only be 1/2 way to covering the
>first year. Capital will be required to get Brad's boat up to snuff,
>and we won't have any idea how much capital is required until we take a
>good look at the boat, so it might not work out after all.
>
>But the question of the day is whether there are people right now who
>would commit to renting the boat, so we can figure out if it pays to
>figure out any of the next steps. Would you commit now?
>
>Bill Effros
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>William E. Wickman wrote:
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>>$250 per week is too high? Have you seen how much charter boats cost?
>The
>>cheapest that I have found out of Miami is around $2,400 per week.
>Granted
>>it was for a 40 foot Hunter, but there are actually very few small boats
>>available to charter in Florida. Maybe I am not mainstream, but I would
>>love to find a reasonably priced small shoal draft boat to charter in
>>Florida. Even at $500 per week, it would be much less than a hotel
>>room....and with a better view!
>>
>>Bill W.
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>> Slim
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>> 12/20/2005 01:48 Subject
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>> Syndicate
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>>$250 is too high. Lower the price and we'd get more people involved.
>>Slim
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>>On 12/20/05 9:54 AM, "Bill Effros" wrote:
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>>>Before we spend a whole lot of time cutting up the pie, let's see if
>>>we've got a pie.
>>>
>>>If people want a boat available in Florida at $250 a week, we can put
>>>one there. If we can rent it out for 12 weeks a year, we can keep it
>>>there. Sweat equity is acceptable payment. The Syndicate only looks to
>>>break even; not make a profit. We are open to people moving the boat
>>>from its Florida base, provided it is returned at some point.
>>>
>>>How many people on this list are prepared to commit to using the boat in
>>>the future? For how long? When?
>>>
>>>Your response to these questions will determine whether or not there is
>>>any point to working out the rest of the details.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>michael meltzer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>bill a quick subjection, you are going to need some
>>>>form an corperation or an LLC for this, it procection
>>>>for the share owners so no one can come after them for
>>>>more than thier investment. we should have a lawwer on
>>>>the list(or do we have to sign steve back up) that can
>>>>be voliltered for it :-), FWIT, a benifit to the share
>>>>owners is they can "use" any unrented time up to
>>>>double thier share as advaiable, please play attention
>>>>to "exit" clause now, in clear full/terms, including
>>>>unable to conatct. What happens is some is unhappy,
>>>>losses intrest, dies, heath etc, or worse yet get
>>>>pissed at the other members...... get is cleaned up
>>>>upfrount instead with the "last man standing" years
>>>>from now. Could be a "downer" to debate on the list so
>>>>use some tack. -mjm
>>>>
>>>>--- Bill Effros wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>I understood what you meant, I just wanted everyone
>>>>>else to understand
>>>>>that while I think I can nail down the logistics for
>>>>>a single home port,
>>>>>I can't recover the boat after one-way trips.
>>>>>
>>>>>If a group of people wants to take the boat to the
>>>>>Bahamas, have another
>>>>>group sail it around there for a while, and have a
>>>>>third group return
>>>>>it--why not? As long as it gets back to home base
>>>>>somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the boat is useful for Stan and Elton, why not?
>>>>>
>>>>>If someone wants to take the boat to distant waters
>>>>>because a group
>>>>>wants to sail somewhere, why not? How about Maine
>>>>>in the Summer? I
>>>>>know how to store it in Greenwich for a lot less
>>>>>than I know how to
>>>>>store it in Miami.
>>>>>
>>>>>Everyone pitches in with their knowledge. Some
>>>>>people can provide some
>>>>>things, some can provide others. We'll need all
>>>>>kinds of help to keep
>>>>>it rolling. As long as people want to keep using
>>>>>it, and are willing to
>>>>>pay a modest use fee, we can afford to keep it. The
>>>>>membership of the
>>>>>Syndicate can keep changing. If it gets to be a
>>>>>pain, and no one is
>>>>>willing to do what has to be done, we sell it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it could be a lot of fun, and good for
>>>>>everyone. It appears
>>>>>that there are enough people who agree with me so
>>>>>that we can try it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>You've got a lot of experience in outfitting boats
>>>>>for more than day
>>>>>sailing, and we'll be listening to all of your
>>>>>ideas. Since we all own
>>>>>the boat, hopefully everyone will leave the boat a
>>>>>little better than it
>>>>>was when he or she got it.
>>>>>
>>>>>We'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Bill,
>>>>>> Getting the boat to Miami would be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>no problem, I just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>thought that some of the guys might want to sail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>the Bahamas without making
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>2 crossings. No problem!
>>>>>>Chris G
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" 
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:53 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks, Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're in. You've got to get it back to Miami.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>How long would such a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>trip take? What's the insurance deal? The Conch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>Cruisers Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>mentioned seem to be a group of MacGregor owners
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>taking long cruises
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>together. If you set something up for the Summer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>of 07 you might get a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>group of people interested in taking their own
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>boats with you on a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>cruise they would never take by themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey yoos guys,
>>>>>>>> Did somebody say
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Syndicate? Back in Napoli we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>had a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>couple of syndicates 'till Guido went up da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>river. So you can count me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I will commit to the rental time even if I can't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>use it till next summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It would be my intention to sail the boat over to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>the Bahamas for a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>couple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of weeks or so and I would certainly be willing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>to put some sweat equity
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the boat to prepare it for the trip in the summer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>of 2007. If anybody
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>wanted to pick up the boat at the end of my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>"charter" in the Bahamas that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>might work out well also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris G
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Bill Effros" 
>>>>>>>>To: "R22 List" 
>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Florida Syndicate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is there is, or is there ain't a real interest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>in putting together a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Florida Syndicate for Brad's boat?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The idea is to fix up a boat so it's both
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>sailable and saleable, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>leave it in Miami for use by Syndicate members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>The boat would rent out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for roughly $250 a week--syndicate members get
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>first choice on dates,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>others could rent on an as-available basis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>People who want to see or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>try a Rhodes-22 could be directed to the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Syndicate boat, and could rent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it if available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If not enough people continue to rent the boat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>over the years, and it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>doesn't cover its nut, or just becomes a pain,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>the Syndicate sells the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>boat and splits the profit. Syndicate members
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>have first shot at buying
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the boat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brad already has $1250 in this deal. I said I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>was good for $500 worth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of rental. Is anyone else seriously interested?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can become a syndicate member by committing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>to a minimum of 1 week
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of rental time, paid in advance..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brad is slightly over committed. He's in the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>air right now, trying to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>earn enough money to finance all the adventures
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>he gets himself into. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>told him I would try to sort out the Syndicate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>deal for him before he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>returns from his current trip. If too few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>people are interested, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>suspect the boat will be parted out. Brad wants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>the IMF. The hull is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>probably worth more to Stan than to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>Bud did legwork, he's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>entitled to first shot at remaining parts. If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>anyone else has an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interest in parts, please post the interest to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>the list, along with how
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>much the parts are worth to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's time to either fish or cut bait. Please
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>let us all know, on-list,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>where you stand so we can sort this out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here are Bud's boat Pictures:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>=== message truncated ===
>>>>
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