[Rhodes22-list] Political - NOT RELATED TO SAILING!!!

[Steve]

Shocking, that some folk don't know the constituation
on how the President of the United State get
elected!!!! Stolen term of office- The only person how
tried to steal the election was Gore.  Draging this
country through that legal mess.  Now that was
shameful!!!
Steve


--- Nell <nellwolfe at cox.net> wrote:

> I have one small question.
> If W felt so "called by God" to make such sweeping
> changes in Social
> Security, and all the other changes he has
> instituted / proposed since his
> coronation, why didn't he start all the reforms
> during his first stolen term
> of office?
> Certainly, it couldn't be because he was afraid of
> not being re-inducted
> into the hall of shame.
> 
> nellwolfe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of stan
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - for Brad's
> Eyes -
> notrelatedtosailing!
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Hmmm - I am not always wrong.  I note that while we
> speak the market has 
> dropped 84 cents.
> 
> I also said that history would eventually show that
> Clinton had been a great
> 
> president - but now I hear you saying that's
> happening earlier than I 
> thought
> 
> I also thought that no way could the world economy
> take on all the job 
> retirement programs industry and governments were
> giving workers and that 
> they would have to bail themselves out of this
> "math-not-adding-up" 
> situation with a secret plan of programmed
> inflation.  But I was wrong 
> again - they had more balls than I guessed and
> either went out of business 
> with the wealthy taking theirs up front, or simply
> reneged on pension deals 
> that were, in effect, terms where workers took less
> pay to get the jobs in 
> return for the money they would get when they
> retired - really a localized 
> social security but with a different name.
> 
> The bottom line is that when the conservatives get
> in power the name of the 
> game is to take whatever can be taken, away from the
> poor.  And when the 
> liberals get in power, to reverse that damage.  And
> maybe that is nature's 
> law of the survival of the species.
> 
> But my basic argument remains;  and that is, when
> you say the poor want the 
> rich to pay, both god and I would argue that it was
> the poor who helped the 
> rich get there, so where's the beef.  Personally I
> never thought it fair for
> 
> W to tell the rich that the taxes they paid was
> their money so it should be 
> given back to them and the debt incurred in doing
> what had to be done, 
> belongs to the poor, so let them pay - or sell the
> debt to foreigners and 
> let the poor's kids pay.  But what do I know of
> fairness and values - I'm 
> just a leftover Neanderthal from Brooklyn.
> 
> stan.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail
> list" 
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - for Brad's
> Eyes - 
> notrelatedtosailing!
> 
> 
> > Stan,
> >
> > Be careful what you wish for.  You're right, the
> > original intent was for SS to be an insurance
> program,
> > not a substitute for responsible planning.  I'd
> gladly
> > drop out today and forgo all future benefits but
> that
> > won't happen.  All the polls show that the current
> > recepients want "the rich" to pay the way and I
> fully
> > expect the current $90,000 limit to be raised. 
> Albert
> > Einstein said the eighth wonder of the world was
> > compound interest.  I'd like to see my kids take
> > advantage of that by putting a percentage of their
> > earnings into a controlled investing program. 
> That is
> > precisely the retirement program available to
> Federal
> > Government workers and I don't see a rush on their
> > part to give it up for the SS program.  I think if
> the
> > BHL's would look past their hatred of W they might
> see
> > he's hardly the fiscal conservative those of us to
> the
> > right of Attila the Hun would like.  Like my
> friend
> > always says, in many ways, Bill Clinton was the
> best
> > conservative President we had in a long time. W is
> way
> > to friendly with the pocket-book on programs like
> > Medicare for me.  As to the cuts in agriculture,
> he's
> > right on target. Sometimes things are not what
> they
> > appear.  I do think Bush is right to take on SS
> now
> > and not let the problem fester for future
> generations.
> > The devil is in the details.  We won't hear the
> end
> > of this for a long time.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> I do not even remember his name yet but the
> senate
> >> minority leader sounded
> >> good to me, so far (another Truman type?)
> >>
> >> Re SS. from a selfish point of view Rose and I
> are
> >> getting ours so why worry
> >> (but you know I need diversionary entertainment).
> >> So I'll ad that we have
> >> thought that everyone was looking at this program
> >> myopically.  It really
> >> either was meant to be, or should have been meant
> to
> >> be, a Social Security
> >> Insurance program where everyone pays into it and
> >> only those who need it
> >> when the time comes take the benefits..  My
> >> father-in-law was modestly
> >> wealthy and kept getting his SS checks which
> amazed
> >> us kids because he
> >> simply didn't need it and so would put it into
> the
> >> stock market - he was
> >> ahead of Bush's time.... .
> >>
> >> My guess is that while the president is out there
> >> pushing his investing in
> >> the market idea, the market is going to be
> crashing
> >> and kill the vote.
> >>
> >> stan/ec
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "stan" <stan at rhodes22.com>; "The Rhodes 22
> mail
> >> list"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Political - for
> Brad's
> >> Eyes - not
> >> relatedtosailing!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Stan,
> >> >
> >> > One of the names that keeps coming up for the
> Dems
> >> in
> >> > 2008 is Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen.  Evan
> >> Bayh
> >> > shot himself in the foot with a lot of
> moderates
> >> over
> >> > the Condi vote.  Bredesen was Mayor of
> Nashville,
> >> a
> >> > self-made multi-millionare from the health care
> >> > industry, from the Northeast originally, and I
> >> voted
> >> > for him as Governor and probably could as
> >> President.
> >> > Anyway, Bredesen just last month made massive
> cuts
> >> in
> >> > Tennessee's universal health-care program,
> >> Tenn-Care,
> >> > because it wasn't sustainable and was
> bankrupting
> >> the
> >> > state.  I think nearly everyone with a heart
> wants
> >> > universal access to health care but these huge
> >> social
> >> > programs have so far proven difficult to
> >> administer.
> >> > Ever been to a hospital in China?  Change in
> our
> >> > current system is certainly needed but massive
> >> > government take-over of health care hasn't
> worked
> >> all
> >> > that well in the communist/socialist countries
> and
> >> I
> >> > don't see it working well here either.
> >> >
> >> > Now as to SS.  Did you read what Greenspan had
> to
> >> say?
> >> > Certainly everyone that has bought into the
> myth
> >> of
> >> > SS, like my parents, need to be protected.  But
> >> for my
> >> > kids, they need to be told the truth.  When the
> >> > program started the ratio was 40 workers for
> every
> >> > recipient.  Now its 3 to one.  When I start
> >> drawing
> >> > benefits (I'm not holding my breath on that and
> am
> >> > planning otherwise) the ratio will be 2 to 1.
> >> This is
> >> > a no-brainer Stan.  The numbers don't add up.
> >> When
> >> > you politize the math and scare the shit out of
> >> old
> >> > people its irresponsible.  I can't honestly
> look
> >> my
> >> > kids in the eye and tell them that SS is a good
> >> deal
> >> > for them.  The handwriting is on the wall. 
> This
> >> is
> >> > not a Republican or a Democrat problem, this is
> >> simple
> >> > demographics.  Go to the latest McKinsey
> >> newsletter
> >> > and you'll see China is facing the same
> problem.
> >> Its
> >> > simple math!
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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