[Rhodes22-list] Humor / political - Paul Revere- Hero or Traitor?

Sun Jun 5 11:53:31 EDT 2005

Mark,

We all know the story, Nixon participated in the
cover-up of some illegal activities (really stupid
when you consider his lead in 1972), got caught and
forced out.

The controversy surrounding Mr. Felt "Deep Throat" is
using his position at the FBI to pursue a personal
agenda, not whether Nixon was good or bad, needed to
go or didn't.  As it turns out, Felt may have been no
better than Hoover and his attempts to unseat Dr. King
from power.  The problem here is misuse of government
power, and that cuts both ways regardless of your
partisanship.  Here's a lot more reading.

Suggestion to all - hit delete now and go sailing.

You've been warned!

Brad

---------------

 washingtonpost.com
Deep Throat's Other Legacy

By Colbert I. King
Post
Saturday, June 4, 2005; A17

I share the pride of my Post colleagues in our
newspaper's pursuit of Watergate, "the biggest
political story in modern American history," as
reporter Michael Dobbs described it in an article on
Thursday. And as a member of The Post's editorial
board, I also echo our Wednesday commentary, which
said that former FBI deputy director W. Mark Felt, aka
"Deep Throat," deserves to be honored for his role in
bringing to light Richard Nixon's serious abuses of
power. That honor, however, is not the full extent of
Felt's legacy. Felt's devotion to J. Edgar Hoover and
the FBI caused him, I believe, to place the bureau
ahead of the Constitution and his own faithfulness to
the Bill of Rights.

Felt's Watergate heroics notwithstanding, he was also
on board when the FBI's series of covert action
programs against Americans was well underway. He was a
high FBI official when the bureau, arrogating unto
itself the role of judge, jury and vigilante, trampled
with impunity on the rights of citizens. Felt was
there when the FBI sought to get teachers fired, when
it tried to stop people from speaking on campus, when
it prevented the distribution of books and newspapers
and when it disrupted peaceful demonstrations and
antiwar marches. Those shameful activities are cited
in stark detail in Book III of the April 1976 Final
Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities of
the United States Senate.

In the name of protecting national security and
preventing violence, the FBI tried to promote
factionalism and violence between groups it regarded
as domestic threats. It planted informants to spread
false rumors, labeled innocent people as "snitches"
and passed along derogatory information to the
families and friends of investigative targets,
sometimes through anonymous letters or telephone
calls. These despicable actions were carried out under
COINTELPRO, an FBI acronym for "counterintelligence
program."

Mark Felt knew all about it. At one time he was an
assistant FBI director in charge of the inspection
division. Consider the Senate committee's report on
Felt's involvement: "The inspection division attempted
to ensure that standard procedures were being
followed. The Inspectors focused on two things: field
office participation and the mechanics of headquarters
approval. But the Inspection Division did not exercise
oversight in the sense of looking for wrongdoing.
Rather, it was an active participant in COINTELPRO by
attempting to make sure that it was being efficiently
and enthusiastically conducted."

Felt himself testified before the Senate committee
that he did not investigate the "propriety" of
COINTELPRO. To quote the Senate report: "[Felt] agreed
that his job was 'to determine whether the program was
being pursued effectively as opposed to whether it was
proper,' and [Felt] added, 'There was no instruction
to me, nor do I believe there is any instruction in
the Inspector's manual that the Inspector should be on
the alert to see that constitutional values are being
protected' " (Felt's testimony before the Senate
select committee, Feb. 3, 1976).

Lest there be any misunderstanding, Felt was not a
passive observer as FBI agents conducted clandestine
and illegal operations against innocent Americans. As
The Post stated in Wednesday's editorial, Felt "was
convicted of (and later pardoned for) authorizing
illegal acts in pursuit of leftist radicals in the
early 1970s." Here's the rest of the story.

When Felt was the No. 2 official in the FBI, he and
Edward S. Miller, chief of the bureau's intelligence
division, authorized burglaries at the homes of
friends and relatives of members of the radical
Weather Underground. The break-ins were illegal and a
violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Felt and Miller were prosecuted in 1980 for their
unconstitutional invasion of privacy by John W. Nields
Jr., later chief House counsel to the Iran-contra
hearings and earlier chief counsel to the 1977-78
House investigation of Korean influence-peddling in
Congress. Nields told the jury: "You will hear the
sounds of the Weatherman bombs ringing in your ears.
We ask you also to listen for the sound of the
Constitution of the United States. It doesn't make
quite as much noise as the Weatherman bombs. It
doesn't shriek at you. It doesn't even whisper. It
just sits there silent, as it's done for 200 years,
through war and depressions, through good times and
bad." The jury heard Nields.

Felt and Miller, after an eight-week trial, were
convicted of conspiracy for authorizing illegal
searches and fined a total of $8,500. The Post stated
in an editorial at the time [Dec. 15, 1980]: "The
crime of which they were convicted by a jury is a
serious one. It grew out of one of the more tawdry
episodes in federal law enforcement -- the burglaries
of private homes by FBI agents in pursuit of opponents
of the war in Vietnam. . . . The dimensions of the
wrongdoing by the FBI in those days -- and before --
are far larger than the specifics of the case against
Messrs. Felt and Miller. The 'black bag jobs' were
only part of a system of so-called law enforcements
that ignored the principles of individual rights and
personal privacy that are at the heart of this
nation's political legacy."

Four months later, without talking to the prosecution,
consulting the judge or conducting the customary
Justice Department review, President Ronald Reagan,
asserting that Felt and Miller were motivated by "high
principle to bring an end to the terrorism that was
threatening our nation," pardoned the two high-ranking
FBI officials.

To be sure, Mark Felt's role as "Deep Throat" earned
him a place in history. So, however, did his
complicity in COINTELPRO, the FBI's dirty little
secret war against Americans.

kingc at washpost.com

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

-----------------------------
THROAT CLEARING 

Deep Secret?
With Watergate's mystery solved, legend gives way to
ambivalence.

BY LEONARD GARMENT
Saturday, June 4, 2005 12:01 a.m.

It seems only civilized that every expiring political
secret should get a decent burial. But the death of
Deep Throat--via the recent announcement that this
prime source was W. Mark Felt Jr., acting associate
director of the FBI at the time of Watergate--does not
deserve a state funeral.
The secret was, while it lasted, one of the wonders of
American politics. Researchers scoured Bob Woodward
and Carl Bernstein's book, "All the President's Men,"
which brought Deep Throat to literary life, for
identifying clues. Nixon insiders joined the hunt.
Edward L. Morgan, assistant secretary of the Treasury
in charge of the Secret Service during the Nixon
administration, wrongly named me--a former counsel to
President Nixon--as Deep Throat. I took justifiable
umbrage. I wrongly named former Nixon official John
Sears as Deep Throat. He took justifiable umbrage.

Now it turns out that the linchpin of the structure
supporting so many ideas about the nature of American
government was a man who acted out of complicated
motives. More, his words of encouragement to Messrs.
Woodward and Bernstein--which were crucial to the
reporters' consequential reporting on Watergate--were
probably based on some things Mark Felt actually knew
firsthand and others he did not.

Mr. Felt, now 91, was near the top of everyone's list
of Deep Throat suspects from the time when "All the
President's Men" was published. His high position in
the FBI gave him extensive access to the Watergate
investigation that the Bureau conducted after the
break-in. Also, Mr. Felt, a former FBI special agent,
knew about clandestine operations; after Watergate he
was convicted for authorizing illegal break-ins in the
early 1970s. (In 1981, Felt was pardoned by President
Reagan.)

More, after the death of J. Edgar Hoover in 1972, Mr.
Felt thought he was the leading candidate to succeed
Hoover as FBI director. But he was passed over in
favor of L. Patrick Gray, a novice at law enforcement
but a Nixon loyalist.

Finally, from the beginning of the Nixon presidency,
relations between the White House and FBI career
personnel were uneasy. The Bureau refused some
requests for wiretaps and terminated others without
consulting the White House. For its part, the White
House acted to lessen its dependence on the FBI for
intelligence by hiring its own investigators. After
the break-in, the White House tried to block the FBI's
investigation of the event. It was during the
post-break-in pressure by the White House that Deep
Throat began meeting with Mr. Woodward.

So why did many Deep Throat researchers--especially
insiders--reject the idea of Mr. Felt? Because much
information that Deep Throat provided was a matter
less of specific facts about the Watergate
investigation than about the nature of the Nixon White
House. Deep Throat talked about the clockwork
craziness the White House had become, about the sound
of Nixon angry and the character of individuals
involved in the coverup. These insights were presented
with the certainty of personal experience. But they
were not within the firsthand knowledge of an FBI
official, even a senior one.
It may yet turn out that there were composite elements
in Deep Throat and that some of these insights came
from sources other than Mr. Felt. Or it may be that
Mr. Felt presented to Mr. Woodward as authoritative
information some things that were firsthand
observations, some that were reliable secondhand
gleanings, and some that were more or less informed
surmises.

It might not have mattered. While Deep Throat was
talking, Watergate burglar James McCord was mitigating
his probable sentence by spilling the beans to the
federal grand jury under the direction of Judge John
Sirica. In this drama, which led directly to the
exposure of the Watergate coverup, Deep Throat was a
marginal player.

If Deep Throat was not critical to the unraveling of
Watergate, then what was his importance? Perhaps it
was to foster in American politics the idea that the
central feature of our government is the secret
knowledge held by those at the center of power, and
that only through the bravery of whistleblowers like
Deep Throat can the polity gain the keys to the
secrets and the ability to reassert democratic
control.

This idea has had consequences since Watergate, many
of them problematic. In fact, it is an idea about
which Mark Felt himself was, until this year,
ambivalent. Against the arguments of his family, he
resisted identifying himself as Deep Throat, saying
that he feared he might be seen as a turncoat rather
than a decent man. This ambivalence and the mixed
motives that gave rise to it are now on public view,
replacing the legend created by "All the President's
Men." In this display of very ordinary human impulses,
Deep Throat is laid to rest.

Mr. Garment, former counsel to President Nixon, is
author of "In Search of Deep Throat" (Basic Books,
2000). 

---------------------------------

Big media's high-water mark
The Deep Throat story revives memories of the
liberals' heyday in covering the news - before cable
and blogs
James P. Pinkerton

June 2, 2005

For the major media, Watergate was the "good war," in
which purely heroic reporters brought down the
thoroughly villainous Richard Nixon.

So the belated revelation that W. Mark Felt was Deep
Throat is being cheered by the press establishment -
even if those cheers sound a bit like last gasps.

Not surprisingly, The Washington Post ran seven
self-back-patting articles yesterday, including two on
the front page. But others in the Old Media joined in,
too: Felt-is-"Throat" led all three nightly broadcast
news shows and filled up countless other news holes.

For the mostly liberal MSM - mainstream media - the
Felt story is a chance to walk down happy-memory lane,
to the halcyon days of the 1970s, before talk radio,
cable news and the blogosphere. Yes, Nixon was
president, but liberalism was nevertheless entrenched
in the media and in Congress.

So when Watergate erupted in 1973, the press and the
Democrats were ready. Their man, Archibald Cox, a top
Justice Department official under John F. Kennedy, was
brought in from Harvard to do in Nixon. And when Nixon
fired Cox, he was forced to name yet another loyal
Democrat, Leon Jaworski, to finish the job.

Let's make one thing perfectly clear: Nixon was a
crook. His White House tapes prove that. But what was
absent back then was any sense of perspective in which
Nixon's sins were compared to those of other
presidents. As an impressionable teen back then, I
remember the chairman of the Watergate investigating
committee, Sen. Sam Ervin (D-N.C.), declaring that the
scandal was "the greatest tragedy this country has
ever suffered, [worse than] the Civil War."

At the time, I took those words to heart, mostly
because there was no voice in the media to simply
laugh out loud in derisive response. Watergate was
worse than the death of 600,000 people in the War
Between the States? Worse than the Depression? Worse
than any number of disasters, epidemics, lynchings and
assassinations? Please.

A few perspectival voices popped up, but only on the
fringes. In 1977, Victor Lasky published "It Didn't
Start With Watergate," which chronicled Democratic
presidential wrongdoing, including John Kennedy's
misuse of the IRS and the FBI, as well as Lyndon
Johnson's wiretapping of Barry Goldwater. In today's
more diverse media environment, Lasky's book would be
a huge best-seller.

OK, back to the present. Felt is being lionized, but
he's a strange kind of hero. In 1980, he was convicted
of ordering FBI agents to burgle the homes of
political dissidents. Isn't that kind of close to what
Nixon's men were guilty of? And after decades of
denial, at 91, now he comes forward - or at least his
daughter does, on the stroke-ridden old man's behalf.
As she explained to Vanity Fair, "Bob Woodward's gonna
get all the glory for this, but we could make at least
enough money to pay some bills."

Woodward, of course, gets money as well as glory.
After decades' worth of book and movie deals, he and
Carl Bernstein sold their papers for $5 million. Some
of that wealth comes from the deliberate
"embellishment" of the Deep Throat legend, according
to Watergate expert Adrian Havill, who demonstrated
the physical implausibility of many of the
cloak-and-dagger details of Woodward's account - the
moved flowerpots, the marked newspapers - in his 1993
book, "Deep Truth."

And Timothy Noah of Slate.com - a Web site owned,
interestingly enough, by The Washington Post - took
note of other untruths. For example, Woodward always
described Deep Throat as a heavy smoker. But, in fact,
Felt was not a smoker. While Woodward might call this
faux detail a piece of "necessary misdirection," in
order to protect a source, Noah snapped, "I call it
conscious fabrication, however trivial."

Watergate was not trivial. But neither was it an
Armageddon-like triumph of good over evil. But for
sure, it represented the high-water mark of the MSM,
before its tide rolled out, drained away by new
technology. We shall not see that sort of
unidirectional press-flood again. 

James P. Pinkerton's e-mail ad- dress is
pinkerto at ix.netcom.com. 
Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc.

--------------------------------
PEGGY NOONAN 

The Legend of Deep Throat
Was Mark Felt really a hero?

Thursday, June 2, 2005 12:01 a.m.

Some wounds don't fully heal because they're too deep
and cut too close to the bone. The story that Deep
Throat was Mark Felt has torn open old wounds. Pat
Buchanan, Robert Novak and Chuck Colson--all at the
top of their game 30 years ago, all very much in the
game today--were passionate in their criticism, saying
Mr. Felt has little to be proud of, was
unprofessional, harmed his country. Ben Stein was
blunt: Mr. Felt "broke the law, broke his oath, and
broke his code of ethics." Old Watergate hand Richard
Ben-Veniste and the Washington Post's Richard Cohen
called Mr. Felt a hero. The old battle lines fall into
place. As to the higher themes of the story, some were
credulous. On the "Today" show yesterday Chris
Matthews called those who have criticized Mr. Felt
"hacks and flacks," whereas reporters "are looking for
the truth" and can be trusted. Glad he cleared that
up.
Was Mr. Felt a hero? No one wants to be hard on an
ailing 91-year-old man. Mr. Felt no doubt operated in
some perceived jeopardy and judged himself brave. He
had every right to disapprove of and wish to stop what
he saw as new moves to politicize the FBI. But a hero
would have come forward, resigned his position,
declared his reasons, and exposed himself to public
scrutiny. He would have taken the blows and the kudos.
(Knowing both Nixon and the media, there would have
been plenty of both.) Heroes pay the price. Mr. Felt
simply leaked information gained from his position in
government to damage those who were doing what he
didn't want done. Then he retired with a government
pension. This does not appear to have been heroism,
and he appears to have known it. Thus, perhaps, the
great silence. 

His motives were apparently mixed, as motives often
are. He was passed over to replace J. Edgar Hoover as
director of the FBI by President Nixon, who apparently
wanted in that place not a Hoover man but a more
malleable appointee. Mr. Felt was resentful. He
believed Nixon meant to jeopardize the agency's
independence. Here we have a hitch in the story. The
liberal story line on the FBI was that under Hoover it
had too much independence, which Hoover protected with
his famous secret files and a reputation for
ruthlessness. Mr. Felt was a Hoover man who joined the
FBI in 1942, when it was young; he rose under Hoover
and never knew another director. When Hooverism was
threatened, Mr. Felt moved. In this sense Richard
Nixon was J. Edgar Hoover's last victim. History is an
irony factory. 

Even if Mr. Felt had mixed motives, even if he did not
choose the most courageous path in attempting to
spread what he thought was the truth, his actions
might be judged by their fruits. The Washington Post
said yesterday that Mr. Felt's information allowed
them to continue their probe. That probe brought down
a president. Ben Stein is angry but not incorrect:
What Mr. Felt helped produce was a weakened president
who was a serious president at a serious time. Nixon's
ruin led to a cascade of catastrophic events--the
crude and humiliating abandonment of Vietnam and the
Vietnamese, the rise of a monster named Pol Pot, and
millions--millions--killed in his genocide. America
lost confidence; the Soviet Union gained brazenness.
What a terrible time. Is it terrible when an American
president lies and surrounds himself by dirty
tricksters? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of
children in the South China Sea. Is that worse? Yes.
Infinitely, unforgettably and forever. 

And so the story that Mark Felt was Deep Throat
exposes old fissures, and those fissures are alive and
can burst open because a wound this size--all this
death, all this loss--doesn't really heal.

Maybe the big lesson on Felt and Watergate is as
simple as the law of unintended consequences. You do
something and things happen and you don't mean them
to, and if you could take it back you would, but it's
too late. The repercussions have already repercussed.
Mark Felt cannot have intended to encourage such epic
destruction. He must have thought he was doing the
right thing, protecting his agency and maybe getting
some forgivable glee out of making Nixon look bad. But
oh the implications. Literally: the horror. 
Were there heroes of Watergate? Surely many unknown
ones, those who did their best to be constructive and
not destructive, those who didn't think it was all
about their beautiful careers. I'll give you a
candidate for great man of the era: Chuck Colson.
Colson functioned in the Nixon White House as a
genuinely bad man, went to prison and emerged a
genuinely good man. He told the truth about himself in
"Born Again," a book not fully appreciated as the
great Washington classic it is, and has devoted his
life to helping prisoners and their families. He paid
the price, told the truth, blamed no one but himself,
and turned his shame into something helpful. Children
aren't dead because of him. There are children who are
alive because of him.

Is the Deep Throat story over? Yes, in the sense that
it will no longer be treated as a mystery. In spite of
the million questions we'll be hearing--and there are
and will be many serious questions--the MSM will stick
with the heroic narrative. Mr. Felt was Deep Throat.
Deep Throat was a great man who helped a great
newspaper put the stop to the lies and abuses of an
out-of-control White House. End of story. Why? Because
in celebrating this story in a certain way journalists
of a certain age celebrate themselves. Because to
bring unwelcome and unwanted skepticism to the
narrative would be to deny 20th-century
journalism--and 21st-century journalists--their great
claim to glory. Because the MSM is still liberal, and
the great Satan of all liberals, still, is Richard
Nixon. And because, as Ben Bradlee might say, It's a
goddamn good story.

Or as they put it in yet another John Ford
masterpiece, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," "When
the legend becomes the fact, print the legend." 

Ms. Noonan is a contributing editor of The Wall Street
Journal and author of "A Heart, a Cross, and a Flag"
(Wall Street Journal Books/Simon & Schuster), a
collection of post-Sept. 11 columns, which you can buy
from the OpinionJournal bookstore. Her column appears
Thursdays. 

--------------------------------------
June 2, 2005
Hoover's Guy
By Thomas Lifson 

I am confused by the liberal media. Until yesterday’s
revelation that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, I was
pretty sure that liberals disapproved when a top
official of the FBI gathered information from the
Bureau’s formidable investigative apparatus, and then
used that information to accomplish a personal agenda,
by threatening to use it to discredit top politicians,
or even, in rare cases, using it to bring down
someone.

That was the rap against J. Edgar Hoover. Supposedly,
he kept detailed dossiers on all the top officials in
Washington, and his careful use of the occasionally
compromising information his agents developed
accounted for his unprecedented tenure in office,
ample budgets, and positive press (as long as he was
alive).

Wasn’t it liberal gospel that J. Edgar Hoover, who
built the FBI into our pre-eminent law enforcement
agency, was an Evil Man? Didn’t liberals consider
Hoover such an abuser of democracy that any tactics
were justified to smear him?

For example, it is now an established mass media meme
that Hoover was a cross-dresser, despite the fact that
the allegation he ever wore dresses was a highly
questionable one, made by someone not in a direct
position to know. Not to mention that liberals seem to
think cross-dressing, gender identity switches, and
even radical sex change operations, are nothing
particular worrisome, and indeed, may well be a
Liberating experience, and something to be celebrated
in the name of diversity and tolerance. Not in the
case of Hoover, though.

So I don’t necessarily expect liberals to think
clearly and be consistent when dealing with issues
related to the FBI. But aren’t at least a few of them
worried about what lionization of Mark Felt will mean
for the future?

Felt was an FBI loyalist in the image J. Edgar Hoover
had created for the bureau in its glory days: a career
official who lived by the bureau's codes, one of which
was the sanctity of an investigation and the
protection of secrets. He chased down lawbreakers of
all kinds, using whatever means were available to the
bureau, and was convicted in 1980 of authorizing
illegal break-ins -- black-bag jobs, as they were
known -- of friends of members of the Weather
Underground. He was later pardoned by President Ronald
Reagan.

Mark Felt used confidential law enforcement data, the
product of an ongoing criminal investigation, to get
Richard Nixon out of office. Ever since he rose to
national prominence fighting hidden domestic
Communists like Alger Hiss, Richard Nixon was anathema
to the liberals. Getting Nixon out of office was such
a priority that maybe all sins can be forgiven. But
there is the little matter of precedent.

Felt is being hailed by liberals as a Hero of Our Time
because he actually drove Nixon from office with his
abuse of his high position in law enforcement. Can you
imagine the reactions these same folk would have had
if someone in law enforcement or the Secret Service
had leaked information about Bill Clinton during the
period when he was being impeached and tried?

For the moment, liberals cannot help themselves.
Nixon’s resignation was the absolute high point of
liberal self-congratulatory righteousness in the last
half century. Like paunchy, bald former frat boys at a
thirtieth reunion remembering beer blasts and comely
coeds, those days are surrounded by the glow treasured
memories assume when current circumstances are less
favorable. “Those were the days, my friend, we thought
they’d never end.”

But they have ended. The last Democrat to win a
convincing majority of the popular vote for President
was Jimmy Carter, who rode into office in the wake of
Watergate. The Democrats have spent more than a decade
without a majority in the House, and are not
positioned to get a Senate majority in the foreseeable
future. The red states are growing in population and
electoral clout, while the blues have the population
and economic blues.

In this environment, do the liberals really want to
celebrate a man whose career was built in the shadow
of J. Edgar Hoover? A man who took the opportunity to
use confidential ;aw enforcement data to get revenge
on an elected official by whom he felt slighted?

I don’t think there will be many statues of Mark Felt.
Once they get over their nostalgia bash, I think the
liberals are going to sober up and realize that they
tactics they now celebrate could be used against them.
At least I hope so.

Thomas Lifson is the editor and publisher of The
American Thinker.

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