[Rhodes22-list] Oops page
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Mon Jun 13 16:11:56 EDT 2005
Oooh, Mark, What a page! Thanks for posting--you sure can find them.
I'll put up with a lot of silly politics on this list for the gems like
this that sometimes come through.
Bill Effros
Mark Kaynor wrote:
>
>Brad (and other pilots),
>
>I was stumbling around the web this afternoon, ran across this site, and
>thought of you - there are some pretty "interesting" aviation-related photos
>here:
>
>http://www.micom.net/oops/
>
>For instance:
>http://zeeb.at/oops/F8overshoot1.jpg
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:04 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage
>
>Thanks for taking the time, Bob. Each of us will face a problem like this
>sometime, we just don't know when.
>
> From your description, it sounds like the best protection you got was from
>your anchor. What type of anchor were you using? How do you set it while
>your boat is in the slip? Or do you set it first?
>
>I am on a mooring with a 300 Lb. mushroom anchor. My boat has ridden out
>several storms, and some hurricanes--but not like yours. All the boats in
>my cove (there are 100s of them, widely spaced) are on properly sized
>mushroom anchors and there is very little boat to boat damage during storms.
>My inclination is that my boat is safer on the water than it is on the land.
>
>Up here, people have special mushroom anchor setting boats. The anchors are
>pulled periodically and all of the tackle inspected and replaced as
>necessary. The anchors set solidly in the mucky bottom, and, for the most
>part, stay where they are set. I have never set additional anchors in the
>face of approaching storms, in keeping with my "ain't broke-don't fix"
>philosophy.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Robert Quinn wrote:
>
>
>
>>Bill: As always there are lessons learned. Kathy and I were out of
>>the area when the storms hit but we had done quite a bit before we
>>departed the area in June, several months before the storms. We have
>>the boat nestled away in a canal not too far from our home behind a
>>friend's home who rents the dock to us. We had stripped the sails,
>>bimini, stored the dinghy and dinghy motor in our garage, placed chaff
>>guards, made sure that there was nothing lose around (other than the
>>hatch covers). We had made arrangements with friends to double the
>>lines if anything came up. (We will do that ourselves this year before
>>we leave for points north in July. The doubled lines should be
>>attached to the pilings, not the dock or dock cleats as we pulled one
>>out). Our friends also placed an anchor off the dock to keep the boat
>>from "crashing" into the dock and dock pilings. This worked extremely
>>well for the first storm (Francis). The anchor was picked up and
>>moved back to the side of the boat after the storm passed through.
>>Everything great thus far. For Jeannine however, one of our friends
>>was not in the area. The second fellow saw the line dangling over the
>>side of the boat and assumed that the anchor was set. It was not, so
>>for Jeannine we "kissed" one of the dock pilings causing the rub rail
>>to "shave" a couple of inches off of the piling. The rub rail -
>>stainless steel, bent but on the positive site the hull was not
>>compromised. In the process we lost a stanchion base (cracked/broke),
>>the mid-ship chocks were loosened / stripped, the coveline stripe was
>>scraped off, additionally a nice scratch in the hull. Additionally,
>>the standing rigging was stressed to the point that a spreader
>>cracked. The spreader had to be welded back together, all the
>>standing rigging needed to be replaced, and all the running rigging
>>was replaced. The rigging issue can to some extent be attributed to
>>the age of the boat (1983) but on the same token I had it surveyed in
>>2003 and replaced the forestay, Genoa/jib furling drum and swivel.
>>(Lesson learned: Be sure the anchor is set to keep you off the dock!)
>>
>>All in all, a very stressful situation; however, we still have a
>>sailboat! There were many, many that were complete write offs. Our
>>biggest issue was getting work done as there was just so much work out
>>there that those in the boat repair business were forced to go to a
>>first come, first served basis. We had to coordinate between the yard
>>where the boat was hauled, bottom painted, and waxed, the rigging
>>company (Mack Sails in Stuart, who did a great job), and the hull
>>repair people in addition to lining up the parts. We also wound up
>>doing some minor motor work - replaced all of the hoses and tuned her
>>up. We also replaced the transmission and acceleration cables as they
>>were "sticking" periodically (found that the cable housing was worn
>>away at an attachment point). There items that we wanted to do and
>>the time was right. We also took the opportunity to pull the hatches
>>to replace the grommets (not a fun experience).
>>
>>Other than pulling the boat out of the water and putting her on the
>>"hard," I'm not sure that there was much more that we could have done.
>>Sad to say though that some of the boats that were on the "hard"
>>suffered more extensive damage than we took. In two nearby yards,
>>boats were knocked off of their stands which created a domino effect -
>>not a pretty site. The yards are re-evaluating their options as well.
>>One yard up in Melbourne was 100% successful with their system. All
>>of the boats on the hard survived as they also had tie down points
>>(spider webbed) set into their concrete yard, similar to how aircraft
>>are secured. Many yards are trying to duplicate this system. Other
>>yards in Florida though are going out of business. The ownership has
>>found that they can sell their yards to development companies anxious
>>to build condos overlooking the water. This is a major concern of us
>>boat owners. The state is attempting to come up with some Marine
>>Industry incentives to keep these yards from selling out. The next
>>couple of years, will indeed, be interesting.
>>
>>The biggest frustration was quite simply having to wait nearly seven
>>months to get the boat re-commissioned so we could sail. {:>)
>>
>>At this point we are considering our options for the 2005 hurricane
>>season. Right now leaving the boat in the same place seems the best
>>bet as the local yards are not yet ready to do the "spider web" trick
>>done up in Melbourne. (The Melbourne, yard by the way, is pretty small
>>and only had m/v housed on their property.) We have a "qualified"
>>monitor to keep an eye on the boat this season, so we will cross our
>>fingers that the good Lord and Neptune will spare Stuart and the rest
>>of Florida from the devastation of 2004.
>>
>>Bob on the "NoKaOi"
>>
>>PS: It was much easier to"drop the mast" on the R22, put her on her
>>trailer, and tie her down in a safe area. {:>)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:18 AM
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Damage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>What happened to your boat in the hurricanes? Could you have done
>>>anything differently to prevent the problem? Are you doing anything
>>>differently now? Are there any general lessons to be learned?
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>Robert Quinn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wally's suggestion has a lot of merit. We moved to a larger boat, a
>>>>Tartan 37 keel/center boarder. While we truly love her, the
>>>>simplicity of the R22 is missed. We "bareboated" in the Caribbean
>>>>for ten years and did fall in love with the feel of the bigger boat
>>>>with the ability to sail, swim, and snorkel ourselves to the point
>>>>of exhaustion. However, US waters do not provide as friendly an
>>>>atmosphere. The Keys are great when the weather cooperates;
>>>>however, the Keys are a three day sail from our home port while the
>>>>Caribbean is a two to three hour flight.
>>>>
>>>>We still have not made the Bahamas as last year's hurricanes
>>>>necessitated repair work. We re-commissioned in late April but the
>>>>weather has not been very favorable in our neck of the woods
>>>>recently - three weeks of rainy thunderstorms. We did get a great
>>>>sail from the St. Lucie inlet down to the Lake Worth Inlet for an
>>>>overnighter three weeks ago. We then came back up and spent the
>>>>night on Peck's Lake, a little cut in the intercoastal. It was fun
>>>>as we sailed in the company of two other boats: a sister ship and an
>>>>IP28.
>>>>
>>>>For simple day sailing though, the R22 is tops. Our plan is to move
>>>>back to the R22 when we feel the T37 becomes too hard to handle.
>>>>
>>>>Bob on the "NoKaOi"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Buck"
>>>><tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:18 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Charter a big boat, keep the R22. I think that is my outlook for
>>>>>the next few years at least.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "J Cook" <joscook at msn.com>
>>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Larger boats
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:55:48 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know some of the list members have larger boats. My wife has us
>>>>>>seriously hunting for one, but so far, I haven't been able to get
>>>>>>too excited. I'm pretty stuck on the R22 design for sailing and
>>>>>>ease of maintenance and storage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>She likes the stern swim platforms and all the creature comforts
>>>>>>on some of the newer boats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like the heavier, older designs with a centerboard or shoal
>>>>>>keel, and solidly constructed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>She'd prefer more of a floating condominium that could
>>>>>>comfortably sleep another couple for a weekend and go to the
>>>>>>islands for several months at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would be just fine with keeping my R22.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any suggestions on compromise here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Joseph
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