[Rhodes22-list] Anchors
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Wed Jun 22 21:54:51 EDT 2005
Peter,
I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there.
They had a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart. Is it
better again?
Bill Effros
Peter Thorn wrote:
>Bill,
>
>I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts,
>we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long
>Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same
>in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a
>Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it
>overnight a breeze though.
>
>I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very
>elegant.
>
>PT
>
>PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the
>pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to
>Oriental, maybe once or twice a year.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
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>>Bill,
>>
>>Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to
>>each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my
>>experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input.
>>
>>This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger
>>multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would
>>not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled.
>>
>>Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he
>>used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk
>>jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good
>>moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and
>>picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs?
>>
>>That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't
>>steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a
>>good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea.
>>
>>And so it goes.
>>
>>People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what
>>they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb.
>>mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at
>>a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane
>>discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each
>>other, even during hurricanes.
>>
>>Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the
>>tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of
>>the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he
>>couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into
>>the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it,
>>but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide,
>>and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.)
>>
>>A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A
>>vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get
>>fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of
>>sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of
>>shaped mushroom anchors.
>>
>>Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting.
>>
>>Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you
>>are asleep.
>>
>>This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you
>>really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was
>>Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He
>>was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was
>>reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was
>>right. Try it.
>>
>>When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw
>>anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no
>>harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you
>>greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely
>>to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time.
>>
>>Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>William E. Wickman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bill E.,
>>>Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've
>>>
>>>
>got
>
>
>>>two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on
>>>
>>>
>my
>
>
>>>last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its
>>>performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so
>>>please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever
>>>used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they
>>>
>>>
>don't
>
>
>>>have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a
>>>
>>>
>lunch
>
>
>>>hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you
>>>
>>>
>recommend?
>
>
>>>Bill W.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Slim,
>>>
>>>Rummy doesn't know me.
>>>
>>>Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in
>>>the Laz.)
>>>
>>>I can get to the ones under the seat fastest.
>>>
>>>I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port
>>>seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on
>>>this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts,
>>>inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of
>>>different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm
>>>experimenting this summer.
>>>
>>>I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute.
>>>The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew
>>>to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot.
>>>
>>>The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot
>>>escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never
>>>escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the
>>>Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no
>>>exposed anchor tines.
>>>
>>>I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor
>>>
>>>
>>>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy.
>>
>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Slimmy,
>>>>I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that
>>>>
>>>>
>sucker
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat.
>>>>
>>>>
>I
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>keep
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few
>>>>
>>>>
>other
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette.
>>>>I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>by accident.
>>>>I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the
>>>>
>>>>
>knots
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise.
>>>>You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>heat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>days
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's
>>>>repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>tough it out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>and drink more cooling liquids.
>>>>
>>>>Rummy
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